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reconman
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I know what it is. It’s a left wing blog, and it is a page on the internet, so you’re right, it is a website. And if you want to consider it a truthful, ethical news source, go right ahead.
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reconman
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Really? You don’t get why I would include national catholic reporter? Have you ever read it? And if so, would you conclude that they present an honest, fact based view on catholic issues? After all, they’ve been around for a while, just like the huffington post has.
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_Abyssinia
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The investigation against LCWR is completely fair, their keynote speakers spread new age transhumanism, which is heretical; many of their members have been pro abortion, pro gay ‘marriage;’ pro embryonic stem cell research; supporting ordination of women to the priesthood; it has been reported that the many of the womens orders in the LCWR have neutered doxology from ‘Father’ replaced with ‘Source of all being,’ ‘Son’ replaced with ‘Eternal word.’ Liturgical books replaced with feminist ‘version.’
LCWR is out of control and needs complete reform. Unless you agree with the things that are going on within the LCWR, how could you be against this investigation.
LCWR is out of control and needs complete reform. Unless you agree with the things that are going on within the LCWR, how could you be against this investigation.
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_Abyssinia
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Lifenews is a credible website, can you provide any evidence it is not. Huffington Post not on this story, but has been caught lying in some of their articles.
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reconman
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Lifenews has an agenda as well. But like you said, they are credible, and above all ethical. They are a pro-life site and make no apologies for that. Folks who seriously contend that the huffington post lives up to the same standards are fooling themselves.
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Dejagirl
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Agree! The Huffington Post (Ms. Huffington) is not a resource I would ever trust with truthful journalism. It’s motive is completely secular.
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baylee
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Yeah, I’m not following the issue with the “source”. I’m not a fan of HP, but I’m focusing on the letter.
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baylee
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Oh and I here I thought I was giong to see a clarification/explanation for his outright disregard for the heirarchy and Church doctrine. Silly me. Instead, he continued to push his views with mention of all the letters in support of his views.
I’m thinking he also received letters from those who take issue with his views.
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baylee
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This gets me so angry. I wonder whether priests like this will also get investigated.
Enough already.
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Julia_Mae
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As do I. I don’t think he’s defending the Sisters, I think he’s defending the Gospel.
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Julia_Mae
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It’s not a blog, it carries the same content as other news sites, including some blogs as well as news, opinion, ads and whatever else news websites carry. I will consider it truthful and ethical until I am shown otherwise which not one person ITT attacking it has been able to do.
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Julia_Mae
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Okay. Father Koesel said about Pope John Paul II:
NOW - we look at America in 1982, when martial law was declared in Poland. In 1982, in a post-Vietnam America where we launched the first space shuttle Columbia, laughed at Tootsie and began the Wall Street boom that made the MBA the degree to have, because greed was starting to feel very, very good, no one wanted to hear about Franciscan priests murdered by Communist thugs for trying to bring the Eucharist to oppressed Catholics in the Iron Curtain countries. The CIA and radio Free Europe were on it. And what was going on in the American Church? Humble devotion to the hierarchy? No, because Bishops were responding to Vat 2 in ways JPII would never have thought about. Until he got out of Poland, he would have had only the vaguest notions about America, anyway. He was totally focused on ending the horror of Communism. What we we doing? Making E.T. No. 1 at the boxoffice.
So, yes, I think he really resented and disliked and whatever the American Catholic establishment. I don’t think Fr. Koesel was insulting him, just making the observation. I also don’t think discussing what some see as a structural issue that needs to be changed is some sort of attack on the Church. The Pope and Bishops aren’t the Church. I am, too. As are you. Jesus Christ, mostly, is. The Deposit of Faith is the Church. The issue is structure, not substance.
So, why would I say his background explains this observation? Why Poland? Well, he grew up under extreme communist repression of the Church, the goal of the communist party was, quite openly, to atheize youth.
It was a brutal repression and the Polish people never gave up and fought against them constantly, it was open season on Catholics and Jews, and this was JPII’s growing up in the Church and becoming a priest. He saw the Church he loved, the Church of his youth, systematically destroyed and repressed. It’s understandable that he a saw all priests as heroes and the viewed the Church as the courageous victim. He also would have been completely unaware of any irregularities. Then he became Pope and was communism’s No. 1 enemy.
NOW - we look at America in 1982, when martial law was declared in Poland. In 1982, in a post-Vietnam America where we launched the first space shuttle Columbia, laughed at Tootsie and began the Wall Street boom that made the MBA the degree to have, because greed was starting to feel very, very good, no one wanted to hear about Franciscan priests murdered by Communist thugs for trying to bring the Eucharist to oppressed Catholics in the Iron Curtain countries. The CIA and radio Free Europe were on it. And what was going on in the American Church? Humble devotion to the hierarchy? No, because Bishops were responding to Vat 2 in ways JPII would never have thought about. Until he got out of Poland, he would have had only the vaguest notions about America, anyway. He was totally focused on ending the horror of Communism. What we we doing? Making E.T. No. 1 at the boxoffice.
So, yes, I think he really resented and disliked and whatever the American Catholic establishment. I don’t think Fr. Koesel was insulting him, just making the observation. I also don’t think discussing what some see as a structural issue that needs to be changed is some sort of attack on the Church. The Pope and Bishops aren’t the Church. I am, too. As are you. Jesus Christ, mostly, is. The Deposit of Faith is the Church. The issue is structure, not substance.
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Tess15010
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Read articles and opinions of Sister Christine Schenk and I believe she might provide a few reasons why this has become an issue…also “Future Church”. This movement is big in Cleveland.
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baylee
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Can you post a link?
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Julia_Mae
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futurechurch.org/index.htm
The background in Cleveland has a lot to do with a bunch of churches being closed and the people fighting to have them re-opened.
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Tess15010
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Julie…agreed but I think you should read what is happening in Cleveland. It is radical and dangerous to the Church.
I would love to provide links but am terrible at doing it…Sorry
I would love to provide links but am terrible at doing it…Sorry
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Julia_Mae
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Are you in Cleveland? Can you tell me what part you think is radical and dangerous?
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Tess15010
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FutureChurch
Mission and Vision
Our Mission: FutureChurch seeks changes that will provide all Roman Catholics the opportunity to participate fully in Church life and leadership
This is their mission statement:
Our Vision: FutureChurch works for:
Guiding Principle: Future Church’s activities grow from a spirituality based on the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Eucharist, the Spirit-filled beliefs of the faithful, and the teachings of Vatican II.
Women Priesthood is high on their list…Yes I find them troubling. No I am not from Cleveland but have visited their headquarters
Mission and Vision
Our Mission: FutureChurch seeks changes that will provide all Roman Catholics the opportunity to participate fully in Church life and leadership
This is their mission statement:
Our Vision: FutureChurch works for:
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* Just, open and collaborative structures for Catholic worship, organization and governance.
* A return to the Church’s early tradition of both married and celibate priests.
* A return to the Church’s earliest tradition, modeled on the inclusive practice of Jesus, of recognizing both female and male leaders of faith communities.
* Regular access to the Eucharist, the center of Catholic life and worship, for all Catholics.Women Priesthood is high on their list…Yes I find them troubling. No I am not from Cleveland but have visited their headquarters
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ellipsis2
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Fr. Doug seems to have a sense of humor:
“There were a couple of funny conversations I had with some nuns from California. One said, “this may be the issue that breaks open the old boys network…imagine: “75 year old nuns divorce 88 year old Cardinals.” What headlines!” My favorite was the comment by a priest from Yale. He said that if I got sacked here, there was an opening at the Vatican for a butler and I would be the perfect choice.”
“There were a couple of funny conversations I had with some nuns from California. One said, “this may be the issue that breaks open the old boys network…imagine: “75 year old nuns divorce 88 year old Cardinals.” What headlines!” My favorite was the comment by a priest from Yale. He said that if I got sacked here, there was an opening at the Vatican for a butler and I would be the perfect choice.”
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the_phoenix
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Yes, let’s take a look at America in 1982. Please.
The above photo comes to us courtesy of the Knights of Columbus Organization, and was taken in Vatican City.
Meanwhile, the following text comes from Newsmax.com, link provided at the bottom.
" … Soviet domination of Poland and Eastern Europe ended, along with the Soviet Union itself, without a shot being fired, thanks to that alliance that was formed in June 1982 between two men who understood the evil nature of communism and knew how to bring it down.
It was a pact that once put the U.S. on the brink of a war with the Soviet Union.
It began on June 7, 1982 at a private Vatican meeting between President Reagan and Pope John Paul II. The two men were alone for 50 minutes and the subject of their discussion was Poland and the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe.
Writing in “The Holy Alliance, Ronald Reagan and John Paul II,” one of the Pope’s biographers, Carl Bernstein, described what happened: "Reagan and the Pope agreed to undertake a clandestine campaign to hasten the dissolution of the communist empire … Richard Allen, Reagan’s first National Security advisor [was quoted as declaring] ‘This was one of the great secret alliances of all time.’ "
Judge William P. Clark, Reagan’s national security adviser, said that the alliance between the two men emanated from a shared common view on the nature of the Evil Empire.
“The pope and the president shared the view that each had been given a spiritual mission – a special role in the divine plan of life,” Clark told NewsMax. “The two men shared the belief that atheistic Communism lived a lie that, when fully understood, must ultimately fail.”
Both also shared the remarkable experience of almost dying at the hand of an assassin – and miraculously surviving the ordeal."
From newsmax.com at the following link:
archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/4/171626.shtml
As for the OP topic, methinks it’s about time the Vatican starts investigating a certain Cleveland priest … either that, or the rest of us should pray that this priest will be, and will act as, a true follower of the Pope and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
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