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robertmidwest
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Not on this thread we can’t. We told over and over again if we don’t believe in MMGW that we are disagreeing with the CC.
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TeenCatholicGuy
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My apologies in advance if my posts in this thread offend anyone.
However, as the title and my OP indicated, this is a “Debate” thread.
Debates include sharing the facts.
Despite the fact I am not on vacation yet, I will point out that the Vatican made it clear Laudato Si is part of the Magisterium.
uscatholic.org/articles/201505/papal-authority-and-climate-change-preparing-pope-francis-encyclical-30117
For those who don’t know, it in it’s simplest form is the Teachings of the Church.
I don’t intend to offend, but I do hope that people do learn to take the Pope more seriously.
I, among others understandably get very upset when certain people claim to be Catholic yet reject Teachings of the Church.
The fact that Trump supporters are among our ranks… paints a picture, but I pray for them everyday.
All I ask is that all readers of this thread understand that Human-Caused Global Warming and Climate Change is as real to the Catholic Church as the Mass.
It is serious. Pope Francis and his Predecessors don’t take these decisions lightly.
That is what makes it so frustrating when there is even a need for a debate, when our Faith teaches is that it is Fact. Nothing else.
However, this thread is a Debate, so I am more then willing to debate whoever wishes to take part in this discussion. I stand by my OP, and am more then willing to change the direction of the debate as anyone here sees fit.
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That’s fact, as I already stated.
You are more then welcome to research the CC’s view on Climate Change for yourself.
I am also willing to do some for you, find links and Vatican sources or other things.
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robertmidwest
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How do we get from these statements in Laudatory Si’:
Link to Laudatory Si’:
catholicclimatemovement.global/text-of-encyclical-laudato-si-by-pope-francis/
I think it is interesting the wish washy language. Laudatory Si’ doesn’t even use the word “majority”. Instead it says " a number" of studies indicate. There “a number” of studies that indicate GW in not man made.
Yet Laudatory Si’ doe’s affirm much more firmly that volcanoes, solar cycle, orbit of Earth do impact GW.
If feel very comfortable that my disbelief in MMGW does not put me with the CC.
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That is a big leap.
Link to Laudatory Si’:
catholicclimatemovement.global/text-of-encyclical-laudato-si-by-pope-francis/
I think it is interesting the wish washy language. Laudatory Si’ doesn’t even use the word “majority”. Instead it says " a number" of studies indicate. There “a number” of studies that indicate GW in not man made.
Yet Laudatory Si’ doe’s affirm much more firmly that volcanoes, solar cycle, orbit of Earth do impact GW.
If feel very comfortable that my disbelief in MMGW does not put me with the CC.
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There is no justification for calling a practical judgment a teaching of the church inasmuch as it does not oblige our assent, and especially so in matters of science. Great as our filial duty of reverence is towards whatever [the pope] may say, great as our duty of obedience must be to the guidance of the Chief Shepherd, we do not hold that every word of his is infallible, or that he must always be right. Much less do we dream of teaching that he is infallible,* or in any degree superior to other men, when he speaks on matters that are scientific…*** (Cardinal del Val, 1902)
This is breathtakingly wrong.
We do not look to our faith for scientific facts. That we are dealing with science and not faith or morals ought to be a sufficient clue that this is not the realm of the church.
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napsnet.com/pdf_archive/34/50144.pdf
Mr. Lupo is a scientist who disagrees with you, TeenCatholic. Lots of information to refute GW… Please read.
Mr. Lupo is a scientist who disagrees with you, TeenCatholic. Lots of information to refute GW… Please read.
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mVitus
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Bear in mind how Sir Isaac Newton is famous for his Theory of Gravity. It takes extensive research to bring something to the level of Theory.
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Cathoholic
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TeenCatholicGuy:
The “Magisterium” TeenCatholicGuy is . . . . The Pope, and the Bishops in union with the Pope.
The Popes function go beyond this too, but de fide doctrine, which is what I think you are trying to discuss here, is that which comes to us from Jesus and/or His inspired Apostles or their direct appointees (like St. Mark wrote a Gospel for St. Peter it is believed).
Again. Just a FYI.
Just a FYI . . .
The “Magisterium” TeenCatholicGuy is . . . . The Pope, and the Bishops in union with the Pope.
The Magisterium safeguards faith and moral teachings handed down from the time of Christ and the Apostles.
The Popes function go beyond this too, but de fide doctrine, which is what I think you are trying to discuss here, is that which comes to us from Jesus and/or His inspired Apostles or their direct appointees (like St. Mark wrote a Gospel for St. Peter it is believed).
Again. Just a FYI.
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this is hogwash. do you realize what you type? it’s bad, it’s terrible, we gotta stop, coal is killing us; but we will continue because it’s a humanitarian issue for china & india so go ahead and kill more people because america did it in the past.
if this wasn’t a globalization scheme and they were serious about emissions they would say no more period and all new future development must be renewable. but they won’t because they know the issue isn’t as serious as they make it out to be.
if renewable is so profitable and generating so much power why do we need coal at all? why isn’t china & india building just renewable plants
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philipl
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And this is exactly where it’s headed. There will come a time in the future if a catholic express an opinion that isn’t 100% in line with who ever is the current Pope, that person will have excommunicate himself.
I was raised to believe the Pope is only infailable when he speak from the chair of peter. I was taught this has only happened twice. Now you starting to see that when ever the Pope speaks it is unwise to disagree with him and to do so put you in Peril.
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robertmidwest
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I agree. Really there isn’t enough history, evidence, research for MMGW to be a theory yet. Especially going by the info you have educated us with. It looks to me like MMGW is hypothesis (and bad hypothesis at that).
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I hate auto correct sometimes. Laudato Si’
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philipl
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Sure, that is why obama had 100% employment under his admin.
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mVitus
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I’d point out that the unemployment rate when he went out was lower than when he went in, but that would ignore the Great Recession.
Or I’d point out that fossil fuels have never provided 100% employment either.
Or I’d give you the link to an article from Fortune, which backs up that renewable energy is creating jobs, at a rate of 12x more than other industries.
fortune.com/2017/01/27/solar-wind-renewable-jobs/
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SuperLuigi
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Appeal to authority.
But only if they reject a left-wing cause used to beat people over the head to support the DNC.
Veiled ad hominem.
No it isn’t.
Considering their use of private planes, no, not really.
Again, appeal to authority.
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SuperLuigi
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Which also defends Canada from a Russian and Chinese invasion.
This thread is nothing more than an excuse to support liberal politicians and an attempt to anger Trump supporters.
Again, we go back to the fundamentals: If voting Democrat for any political party is so righteous and good, why does it need anonymous third party support and why do people come to this site asking over and over if it’s okay to vote for them?
I would think the arguments for such decisions have their own merits, but for obvious reasons do not. :tsktsk:
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