Climate Change Debate: Pope VS Trump Supporters?

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lynnvinc said:
I’m not sure that is what pro-lifer conservatives really want. I think they want to punish those who have abortions or are involved in abortions.
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You can’t seriously believe that. Take a look at an ultrasound taken as a child–yes a child with limbs, with a beating heart–flinches away from an abortionist’s suction device that is tearing off its limbs, and then tell me that the motivation of pro-lifers is to ‘punish’ anyone.

Take a look at the torn limbs of a child after it is aborted. Or read the stories of those who have worked in abortion clinics recounting how they had to lay out those limbs and head and torso to account that ‘it’ was all accounted for and nothing left in the woman’s body to fester and become toxic…read about the nightmares and drinking many abortion workers end up having. And then tell me with a straight face that any pro-lifer’s concern is ‘punishing’ others.

Dig into the statistics of injury, even death, of women having abortions, and then look at the high rate of depression, alcoholism, drug use, and other emotional, mental, and spiritual problems that follow abortion–and tell me with a straight face that pro-lifers just want to ‘punish’ people.

There is a living human being killed in every single abortion. There is a woman in every single abortion who often suffers physical or emotional damage. There are fathers, grandparents, and other children who suffer from the abortion of a child they already loved. Even many abortion workers end up suffering trauma from what they are doing and seeing.

Opposing abortion has less than nothing to do with wanting to ‘punish’ anyone. It has everything to do with opposition to an act that is hurting many, many people.
 
Its 100% Canada’s fault concerning their debt too.

debtclock.ca

But regardless of whose “fault” national debt is, you can’t squeeze blood out of turnip.

You seem to get that for YOURSELF, but MISS this for the American taxpayer.

You can come up with all the platitudes you want, but the taxpayers DON’T have the money.

How much have you sent to them TeenCatholicGuy? How many carbon credits have you bought?
 
holyrood said:
  1. Abortion–killing our own children, killing children period, destroying them with saline solutions that burn their skin, ripping their limbs off, stabbing them in the base of the skull AS they’re coming out the birth canal–that’s far more important.
  2. Again, you’re making assumptions. As to debating which party leads to lower abortion, all I can say is…do your research. Those of us who are NOT 15 have jobs. Yes, it’s 1 in the morning here and I’m still working because I have neither mommy, daddy, nor big government to pay my bills for me. So please take the time to do your own research rather than use all the free time you obviously have (thanks to mommy and daddy supporting you) to actually research these issues.
Bingo. How in the world do you think at the age of 15, with no actual money of your own, that you have any authority to tell adults who actually earn their way in life, all about money and what they should be doing with theirs?

Go get a job. Pay your rent, provide your own food, be able to pay for the car or bus that gets you to your job, etc., and then come back and tell us all about what we should be doing with our money and how finances and economics work.
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Abortion is a graver issue…yet, the Holy Father issued an encyclical, Laudato Si, urging Catholics to take environmental issues of the day very seriously and to take action. He explicitly states in the introduction that his encyclical is magisterial and to be adhered to…all Catholics are bound to take these issues seriously. We can debate the science, but taking action to care for the earth is an obligation for every Catholic on this planet.
 
Cathoholic said:
Its 100% Canada’s fault concerning their debt too.

debtclock.ca

But regardless of whose “fault” national debt is, you can’t squeeze blood out of turnip.

You seem to get that for YOURSELF, but MISS this for the American taxpayer.

You can come up with all the platitudes you want, but the taxpayers DON’T have the money.

How much have you sent to them TeenCatholicGuy? How many carbon credits have you bought?
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Again, I am 15.

I fight Climate Change the best I can by changing my lifestyle.

You have done, from what you’ve said, nothing.
 
TeenCatholicGuy said:
Again, I am 15.

I fight Climate Change the best I can by changing my lifestyle.
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Did you know that laundry detergent can be made with ashes from the chimney and water?
How about that?!🙂
Aren t you reallllly impressed?!
I am a mother,that is a bit of my contribution…
 
Again, I am 15.
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I fight Climate Change the best I can by changing my lifestyle.
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You have done, from what you’ve said, nothing.
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(You have no idea what I’ve done.)

Just say it TeenCatholicGuy. Just say how much YOU have sent to the IPCC.

That should be easy enough. The receipts are probably on your account.

You are the one here levelling all this criticism for America pulling out of the Accords.

Accords which do nothing to halt global warming but cost US hard working taxpayers and poor people boatloads of money for absolutely no gain.
Another Obama Legacy: Americans Will Pay Billions for a Useless Climate Agreement
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. . . Unsurprisingly, the sum of many pledges to do nothing is: nothing. When the Massachusetts Institute of Technology compiled the pledges and compared them with its own preexisting projection, it found a temperature reduction by 2100 of only 0.2°C. When the analysts compared the pledges with the projection created by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change back in 2000, they found no improvement at all.
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. . . Signing the deal under these circumstances is deeply irresponsible, and Americans will pay for it three times over for many years to come. Most directly, taxpayers have already sent $500 million to the U.N.’s “Green Climate Fund,” and President Obama has committed billions more — that on top of the more than $10 billion spent annually on domestic green-energy subsidies. . . .
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. . . . The poor, for whom energy represents a major expense, will feel most of the pinch. The Clean Power Plan and oil fee taken together would have an effect comparable to a $30-per-ton carbon tax, which would cost households in the lowest income quintile $20 billion annually. That is equivalent to raising their federal tax burden more than 160 percent.
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nationalreview.com/article/434412/paris-climate-agreement-americans-foot-bill-no-effect-climate
 
twf. You said . . . .
. . . the Holy Father issued an encyclical, Laudato Si, urging Catholics to take environmental issues of the day very seriously and to take action. He explicitly states in the introduction that his encyclical is magisterial and to be adhered to…all Catholics are bound to take these issues seriously.
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I’m not going to accuse you of virtue signalling here.

But I do want you to show the relationship between abortion and care for the environment.

By the way, I affirm what the Holy Father wrote in Laudato Si.
 
TeenCatholicGuy said:
This is the ONLY reason Trump pulled out.

This is what was actually “so unfair”.

Specific emission reductions are not legally binding on nations, but the monitoring and reporting of emissions are. Countries are to meet every five years to review progress.
theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/what-canada-agreed-to-in-paris/article27742735/
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this is why we pulled out.
Developed countries committed to spending at least $100-billion a year between 2020 and 2025 to help emerging economies deal with the effects of climate change.
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TeenCatholicGuy said:
theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/what-canada-agreed-to-in-paris/article27742735/

macleans.ca/society/canada-wont-renegotiate-paris-accord-says-mckenna/

I’ve argued how India and China cannot be held to the same standards, because they are still developing countries with their own issues. 1 size fits all doesn’t work
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you need to explain why aren’t they held to the same standards if the earth is in such dire straits.

you can’t have it both ways: the earth is dying but we are going to let china and india kill it quicker because they want to develop more

can we afford 10 years of emission growth by the top emitters? if we can then the issue isn’t that important.

the best part of the deal is they will let the usa pay billions of dollars so china and india can increase emissions
 
lynnvinc said:
IF they really had any respect for life they’d be mitigating GW .
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See we are back to the “people who don’t believe in man made global warming hypothesis are not really Catholic”.

It comes back to that over and over again.

“If you were REALLY Catholic you would be doing this…:” or read “If you were REALLY as good as I AM you would be moving in lock step with me!”
 
twf said:
Abortion is a graver issue…yet, the Holy Father issued an encyclical, Laudato Si, urging Catholics to take environmental issues of the day very seriously and to take action. He explicitly states in the introduction that his encyclical is magisterial and to be adhered to…all Catholics are bound to take these issues seriously. We can debate the science, but taking action to care for the earth is an obligation for every Catholic on this planet.
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End of discussion?
 
meltzerboy said:
You are correct except when you state that “it takes a long time for a theory to become a law.” A scientific theory cannot become a law. Rather, theories can explain laws. A theory is the best we have, but it may be revised or even discarded if new evidence arises which the theory cannot verify.
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NO WAY!!! Pope Francis believes in MMGW!!! We can’t discard it now!!!
 
upant said:
you need to explain why aren’t they held to the same standards if the earth is in such dire straits.

you can’t have it both ways: the earth is dying but we are going to let china and india kill it quicker because they want to develop more

can we afford 10 years of emission growth by the top emitters? if we can then the issue isn’t that important.

the best part of the deal is they will let the usa pay billions of dollars so china and india can increase emissions
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nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/01/climate/us-biggest-carbon-polluter-in-history-will-it-walk-away-from-the-paris-climate-deal.html?_r=0

China and India (in some areas) is basically a humanitarian crisis. Pollution hurting citizen’s health, industries with sub-standard conditions. It is terrible.
All they get, is a bit more time to reduce emissions.

And they are even doing more to switch to renewables.

mnn.com/earth-matters/energy/stories/china-launches-worlds-largest-floating-solar-farm

mashable.com/2017/06/08/china-biggest-floating-solar-project/
 
meltzerboy said:
You are correct except when you state that “it takes a long time for a theory to become a law.” A scientific theory cannot become a law. Rather, theories can explain laws. A theory is the best we have, but it may be revised or even discarded if new evidence arises which the theory cannot verify.
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But wait if a theory can be discarded…that would meant that the people who didn’t believe in the theory in the first place were what? Right? Holy cow. It boggles my mind!
 
robertmidwest said:
But wait if a theory can be discard…that would meant that the people who didn’t believe in the theory in the first place were what? Right? Holy cow. It boggles my mind!
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But there is NO evidence based on facts that this unnatural Global Warming is fake, or a hoax. The closest you could get is Hannity or Alex Jones yelling for half an hour about conspiracy theories based on delusions and ignoring facts.
 
TeenCatholicGuy said:
It is part of the magisterium, THAT means it is what the Catholic Church teaches.

uscatholic.org/articles/201505/papal-authority-and-climate-change-preparing-pope-francis-encyclical-30117

You reject a core teaching of the Catholic Church by denying Climate Change and Global Warming.
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If I may suggest, take your time now you are probably on vacations,to read slowly Laudato Si.
And if I may suggest also,try not to use it but as a means to grasp its beauty first.
And as you read it,say a prayer for all. This is our common house,and it deserves reflection,time,love and prayer.
You are new to the forums,and you are 15. If we displayed here a tone that did not add properly to learning to treating each other kindly,my apologies for my part. Pick our best, which there is too…
All things work together for good for those who love the Lord.
May God bless you.
 
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