Climate Change Debate: Pope VS Trump Supporters?

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meltzerboy said:
I believe in natural climate change as well as man-made climate change. However, according to my understanding, Catholics can disagree with the Pope on issues that do not involve morals and religion, including climate change. At the same time, of course, one should not completely ignore what Pope Francis says and his rationale involving climate change and other non-religious beliefs. Still, he is not speaking as a scientist on the issue and thus a Catholic in good standing can respectfully disagree.
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Climate change is a moral issue, and one that threatens mankind’s entire existence.

Catholics NEED to consider ALL issues on the table when they vote. As I cited earlier, uscatholic.org/blog/201603/can-catholic-vote-democrat-moral-considerations-30587
Abortion shouldn’t be the most important issue when voting, Issues that we can actually fight are. EG: Climate Change, Social Security, Healthcare, Helping the Poor. The GOP is against all of those things.

As I said earlier, Trump and the Pope have access to hundreds, if not thousands of Climate Scientists.
 
mVitus said:
One thing to take into account with falling abortion rates is that Planned Parenthood, from what I’ve read, doesn’t consider chemical abortions as abortions. So a rise in those can falsely skew the true abortion rate.
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Trump isn’t ignoring climate change, he is just not willing to pay for it with American jobs or dollars so other nations can continue polluting the environment.
 
TeenCatholicGuy said:
Climate change is a moral issue, and one that threatens mankind’s entire existence.

Catholics NEED to consider ALL issues on the table when they vote. As I cited earlier, uscatholic.org/blog/201603/can-catholic-vote-democrat-moral-considerations-30587
Abortion shouldn’t be the most important issue when voting, Issues that we can actually fight are. EG: Climate Change, Social Security, Healthcare, Helping the Poor. The GOP is against all of those things.

As I said earlier, Trump and the Pope have access to hundreds, if not thousands of Climate Scientists.
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You certainly don’t have to convince me; but I maintain that, even if not so wise, Catholics are allowed to disagree on this particular issue since it is not directly a religious teaching pronounced ex cathedra. I believe even papal encyclicals do not have dogmatic authority. But I agree with you that, in a larger sense, the issue is a moral one, whether directly so or not.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Trump isn’t ignoring climate change, he is just not willing to pay for it with American jobs or dollars so other nations can continue polluting the environment.
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  1. then WHAT IS HIS PLAN to fight Climate Change?
  2. How does Paris HURT ANYTHING?
  3. The US has released more emissions throughout history then Any OTHER Country ever.
    Developing Countries need time to catch up w technology. So, you are “Wrong”
 
Since everything is interrelated, concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion. How can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings, however troublesome or inconvenient they may be, if we fail to protect a human embryo, even when its presence is uncomfortable and creates difficulties? If personal and social sensitivity towards the acceptance of the new life is lost, then other forms of acceptance that are valuable for society also wither away.
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meltzerboy said:
You certainly don’t have to convince me; but I maintain that, even if not so wise, Catholics are allowed to disagree on this particular issue since it is not directly a religious teaching pronounced ex cathedra. I believe even papal encyclicals do not have dogmatic authority. But I agree with you that, in a larger sense, the issue is a moral one, whether directly so or not.
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Climate Change is real and it is not changeable by human efforts. There is a real science behind Climate Change which very few people delve into. I recently posted an article on FB about Climate Change. You can not change the cycle s of the universe. This is the domain of the Lord and all the wealth of the world will not alter the course of God’s plan. The so called proponents of such endeavers are really or generally investors that have designed a money pit for the tax paying public to fall into. You may want to look at it from a scientific point of view. Just saying. Peace.

A caveat: Setting of a few Atomic and Hydrogen Bombs during WW11 and thereafter “testing” probably did speed things along a bit.😦
 
TeenCatholicGuy said:
The Government under the right management can do almost anything. Donald Trump is what makes the current Administration SO INCOMPETENT.

If it were under someone who actually meant what they said, we’d be set.

I disagree. I point to what’s happening in Ontario, Canada. The Province made numerous mistakes for “clean energy”, which has caused rates to soar in most areas of the provinces.

Jobs are still part of it, and a driving factor. Remember how Trump “cares about” “coal and oil” jobs?
Solar and Wind alone in their current state won’t, but if the Feds were to invest, to drive innovation it would get cheaper and produce more. There are over 5 new industries from Clean Energy, and supporting them would be a good option.
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I don’t see why you keep bringing up Trump. All I said is that the state is better equipped to handle a lot of things. The only reason I mentioned that I would have voted for him was to prove that not everyone who supports or supported him thinks it’s (climate change) a total hoax. That in no way suggests that I agree with everything he does (should I suppose that everyone who didn’t vote for him wants abortion to stick around?).

Each state should be allowed to make a lot of decisions for themselves. They should be allowed to set their own minimum wage, be in charge of their own education, and they should get to decide what’s best for them when it comes to the environment (just to name a few things). If they choose to fund green initiatives on their own, so be it. I am not convinced that the federal government is capable of handling something like this when it can’t stay within buget and isn’t producing tangible results on other fronts. I guess the fact that certain members of congress claim that not supporting their ideas makes one a climate denier rubs me the wrong way, too.
 
Mary_Estelle said:
Climate Change is real and it is not changeable by human efforts. There is a real science behind Climate Change which very few people delve into. I recently posted an article on FB about Climate Change. You can not change the cycle s of the universe. This is the domain of the Lord and all the wealth of the world will not alter the course of God’s plan. The so called proponents of such endeavers are really or generally investors that have designed a money pit for the tax paying public to fall into. You may want to look at it from a scientific point of view. Just saying. Peace.

A caveat: Setting of a few Atomic and Hydrogen Bombs during WW11 and thereafter “testing” probably did speed things along a bit.😦
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You completely ignored this, didn’t you?

Don’t argue by what you feel, turn to FACTS or the BIBLE!
TeenCatholicGuy said:
What about free will? God gave us the power to make our own decisions. It is clear that the Earth has a natural Cycle, and that we are accelerating that cycle through human activities.
I quote:

"So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it’ and have dominion over the fish of the see and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth” -Genesis 1:27-28.

He gave humans complete dominion over the earth. Disagreeing with that is disagreeing with the Bible.

If we have complete dominion over the earth, we have the ability to take his creation and turn it into something else, something bad. We have the ability to create problems that threaten the whole earth. We therefore, have the ability to fix them.

Trump and Pope Francis aren’t Climate Scientists, but have access to hundreds of them. Pope Francis decreed that we should fight Climate Change, take care of our planet. Can you even call yourself Catholic if you disobey the Holy Father?

If Obama was the most pro-abortion President, why did Abortion rates fall under his Administration?
If you look at the numbers, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States
Abortion rates were extremely high under the Reagan, H. W. Bush, and Clinton Administrations.
In fact, Abortion rates started to fall starting in 1998*, under the Clinton Administration. Not a Republican one.
They barely fell under W. Bush’s administration and fell much more significantly under the Obama Admin.

*EDIT: Ever since 1998, abortion rates have been falling.
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Thom18 said:
I don’t see why you keep bringing up Trump. All I said is that the state is better equipped to handle a lot of things. The only reason I mentioned that I would have voted for him was to prove that not everyone who supports or supported him thinks it’s (climate change) a total hoax. That in no way suggests that I agree with everything he does (should I suppose that everyone who didn’t vote for him wants abortion to stick around?).

Each state should be allowed to make a lot of decisions for themselves. They should be allowed to set their own minimum wage, be in charge of their own education, and they should get to decide what’s best for them when it comes to the environment (just to name a few things). If they choose to fund green initiatives on their own, so be it. I am not convinced that the federal government is capable of handling something like this when it can’t stay within buget and isn’t producing tangible results on other fronts. I guess the fact that certain members of congress claim that not supporting their ideas makes one a climate denier rubs me the wrong way, too.
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businessinsider.com/if-roe-v-wade-overturned-supreme-court-abortion-trump-2016-12

prospect.org/article/what-happens-when-abortion-outlawed
 
TeenCatholicGuy said:
Climate Change, Social Security, Healthcare, Helping the Poor. The GOP is against all of those things.
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That’s just stupid. Just because their position don’t jive with what you think think they should be doesn’t mean that they are “against all of those things.”

By the way, I’ll second that you’re not 15.
 
Tim_D said:
That’s just stupid. Just because their position don’t jive with what you think think they should be doesn’t mean that they are “against all of those things.”

By the way, I’ll second that you’re not 15.
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  1. I. Am. 15.
  2. I base my positions on what I see. Republicans have been trying to pass bills that hurt the things I listed, therefore they should be against them?
 
TeenCatholicGuy said:
That is in regards of using nature to JUSTIFY Abortion. I’m not saying Abortion is good.
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You stated abortion shouldn’t be the most important issue. Pope Francis would certainly disagree with you. We know he speaks much about the evil of gender ideology and is very concerned about Christian persecution.

Climate change did not get a mention as one of the crisis facing Europe but maybe you can hang your hat on the fact that he mentioned one of the seasons. 🙂

romereports.com/2017/06/01/pope-greets-catholic-families-four-crises-are-currently-affecting-europe
 
Tim_D said:
If the pope tells you to jump off of a bridge and you don’t do it, are you no longer Catholic?
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Now you are cherry-picking, taking positions you wish you were defending.

I’m not even going to waste time arguing against that silly statement.
 
johnnyc176 said:
You stated abortion shouldn’t be the most important issue. Pope Francis would certainly disagree with you. We know he speaks much about the evil of gender ideology and is very concerned about Christian persecution.

Climate change did not get a mention as one of the crisis facing Europe but maybe you can hang your hat on the fact that he mentioned one of the seasons. 🙂

romereports.com/2017/06/01/pope-greets-catholic-families-four-crises-are-currently-affecting-europe
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Ignoring all the points i’ve spent ages typing out
 
TeenCatholicGuy said:
  1. I. Am. 15.
  2. I base my positions on what I see. Republicans have been trying to pass bills that hurt the things I listed, therefore they should be against them?
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For a supposed teen from Canada, why are you so concerned about what happens in American politics? You have an over the top liberal prime minister who needs as much help as anyone here in the US.

Incidentally, your opinions about republican positions on the issues you note are not absolute and are prone to error. Republicans are not “against” social security, healthcare or helping the poor; they are simply against the liberal agenda that wishes to use money that will need to come from future generations to pay lavishly for things that we cannot afford today. Is that such a novel idea?
 
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