Clinton Up 6 on Trump in Two-Way Race in Bloomberg National Poll

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Little_Sheep said:
As a rule, the Catholic vote is the Presidential vote. Catholics elected Obama (twice) and Catholics will elect Hillary (soon). I am deeply appreciative of the Catholic vote.
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:confused:🤷 What’s wrong with voting for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson for president? Hillary is the worst choice. Trump is not much better.

cnbc.com/2016/07/13/
 
Little_Sheep said:
It’s hard to imagine how Trump could unite Conservative voters when he himself is not Conservative. Also, he has said repeatedly that HE is the one who can fix everything and that he’ll do it with or without the GOP leaders in Washington and across the country.

I live in Georgia and Georgia is light blue for the 1st time since Bill Clinton won here. Hillary is leading handily in every single swing state.

Trump’s path to 270 is minuscule. I believe now and have believed from the beginning that it will be a Democrat blow-out. And then Trump will take the long vacation that he (and the nation) so desperately deserve.
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Something else to bookmark.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
 
JosieN said:
:confused:🤷 What’s wrong with voting for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson for president? Hillary is the worst choice. Trump is not much better.

cnbc.com/2016/07/13/
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It’s a matter of your reasons for voting, isn’t it?

If one wants to use one’s vote to register a protest but nothing else, then someone like Johnson or the other candidates who won’t win is likely to be the choice.

But if one really wants to support or oppose something realistically, one will vote for one of the major candidates.
 
Little_Sheep said:
As a rule, the Catholic vote is the Presidential vote. Catholics elected Obama (twice) and Catholics will elect Hillary (soon). I am deeply appreciative of the Catholic vote.
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There is no such thing as a “Catholic vote”. There are only votes by people who happen to be Catholic, but vote for their preferences without regard to their religion, particularly.

So, in 2012, the majority of Catholics voted for Obama. But that was because Obama had the Hispanic vote. Romney won among non-Hispanic Catholics. Probably, among Catholics, not more than 25% really vote based on Catholic beliefs. If all did, the Dems would have to change their promotion of abortion on demand or never win a national election. Like everybody else, Catholics tend to vote with their socioeconomic peers.
 
Ridgerunner said:
But if one really wants to support or oppose something realistically, one will vote for one of the major candidates.
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What about those who greatly dislike both candidates? Choosing the lesser evil is like asking if I prefer to be poisoned or shot. Sure you can argue one is less bad than the other, but only slightly.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
What about those who greatly dislike both candidates? Choosing the lesser evil is like asking if I prefer to be poisoned or shot. Sure you can argue one is less bad than the other, but only slightly.
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Last time I checked, something like 6 out of 10 Americans hated or despised both candidates. I don’t know what goes into peoples’ minds at the last second, though. Perhaps the last thing they heard is what they remember most. Good analogy, though.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
What about those who greatly dislike both candidates? Choosing the lesser evil is like asking if I prefer to be poisoned or shot. Sure you can argue one is less bad than the other, but only slightly.
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Depends on what one thinks of as “bad”, doesn’t it?

I don’t think anyone can reasonably doubt Trump is boorish at times, and that it offends the sensibilities of many. He appears to be devoid of ideology and is “project oriented” for all the good and bad that entails.

Nor do I think anyone can reasonably doubt Hillary Clinton is “for sale” to big money interests, including foreign ones. And her ideology is relentlessly leftist in every way other than her support for big business.

To me, it’s a matter of choosing which person is more likely to negatively affect my children and grandchildren in practical ways. Neither candidate is ideologically attractive to me. Hillary isn’t because I reject almost everything about her worldview. Trump isn’t because he really doesn’t seem to have one.

It’s the practical effects I’m looking at in this election.
 
Ridgerunner said:
It’s a matter of your reasons for voting, isn’t it?

If one wants to use one’s vote to register a protest but nothing else, then someone like Johnson or the other candidates who won’t win is likely to be the choice.

But if one really wants to support or oppose something realistically, one will vote for one of the major candidates.
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If one lives in New York, Illinois, or California, the chances of Trump winning there is not much greater than that of a third party candidate. (less than 1% maybe) And it’s the electoral vote not the popular vote that wins the presidency. So one might as well vote his or her conscience in those states if the third party candidate has the right credentials.
 
This is definitely a bizarre election. A good portion of people voting for either candidate is simply voting against their opponent.

The electorate is what matters, and everything I’ve seen shows Clinton easily taking the WH. Yet, it seems like a lot of trump supporters I encounter online (not here on CAF, but elsewhere) are in complete denial and have convinced themselves that the Donald is going to win in a landslide of epic proportions. Guess they know something I don’t!

Then again, I think trump thinks he’s going to win in a landslide.
 
Finite said:
This is definitely a bizarre election. A good portion of people voting for either candidate is simply voting against their opponent.

The electorate is what matters, and everything I’ve seen shows Clinton easily taking the WH. Yet, it seems like a lot of trump supporters I encounter online (not here on CAF, but elsewhere) are in complete denial and have convinced themselves that the Donald is going to win in a landslide of epic proportions. Guess they know something I don’t!

Then again, I think trump thinks he’s going to win in a landslide.
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I doubt Trump thinks so. He may be called (and rightly so) a lot of things, but one of them is not stupid. He is already talking about voter cheating in advance of the election, no doubt as a means of escaping from taking personal responsibility should he lose to Clinton. I am quite sure he realizes what he is up against at the present time. Many of his supporters may be less aware.
 
meltzerboy said:
I doubt Trump thinks so. He may be called (and rightly so) a lot of things, but one of them is not stupid. He is already talking about voter cheating in advance of the election, no doubt as a means of escaping from taking personal responsibility should he lose to Clinton. I am quite sure he realizes what he is up against at the present time. Many of his supporters may be less aware.
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Oh yeah, the second he started saying “If I lose its because she cheated”, I knew he knew what was happening. Though…I think it’s amazing if he truly believes that, and it would make me question your assessment that he isn’t stupid.
 
Quinnipiac
likely voters nationally

Clinton 45%
Trump 38%
Johnson 10%
Stein 4%
 
The range of Clinton over Trump is 3 points to 10 points. The truth is probably 6 or 7 point lead, which is a small decline in the last couple of weeks.

The LATimes poll should be ignored because it is asking the same people over and over again. It is not a random poll at this point.

The state polls tend to be good for Clinton. The large advantages in PA, NH and CO pretty much assure victory. The states that are close (Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina) won’t matter if Clinton nails down the first three. Trump has some heavy work to do to solve that.
 
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