Closer to God..... but farther from salvation?

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fhansen said:
Samuel Clemens:

“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”
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My old man was just like that!
 
fhansen said:
see my other post above
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The question is still the same.

Sick people who don’t take medicine or change their lifestyles are in more danger. Why isn’t this true for the hospital for sinners?
 
fhansen said:
“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”
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That speaks to the ignorance of the kid and not to the dad.
 
It is-in terms of “more danger” since the right hospital is certainly the best one be at.
 
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of course. that’s the point. and why was the kid ignorant?
 
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no more or less than the pass the Church gives them
 
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fhansen said:
ya. and do you think that any of us are born with perfect wisdom?
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We are born with brains and intellect. We should know some things by nature. Even with grace we are still dunderheads most of the time.
 
mcq72 said:
This is the standard pooh pooh.
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Calling something “pooh pooh” doesn’t make it false.
mcq72 said:
We are tempted to say the same thing when a Protestant becomes Catholic.
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There are 30,000 different Protestant denominations. If a Protestant said that, they’d be hypocritical by default.
mcq72 said:
No one wants to think that our church can be wrong, or not given somebody a beneficial spiritual experience.
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The Catholic Church itself can’t be wrong. We have that from Jesus himself. Individuals in that Church might be wrong on various things, but not the deposit of the Faith.
mcq72 said:
Having said that, for sure some may be as you allude, poorly catechized. Yet that doesn’t fit all explanations, for many are well catechized.
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Apparently not, if they leave. Or perhaps they didn’t practice what they were taught. Humans are humans.
mcq72 said:
We don’t want to be like the Jewish leaders that doubted, questioned, even chastized the blind man Jesus healed.
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We’re not, so no worries there.
 
Raxus said:
Calling something “pooh pooh” doesn’t make it false
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Doesn’t make it true either.

I met you have way, admitting for sure some were poorly catechized who cross over to P church. The poohing is because you don’t go halfway also
by admitting some are well catechized and still leave CC for P church.
Raxus said:
There are 30,000 different Protestant denominations. If a Protestant said that, they’d be hypocritical by default
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Not really. We could have a zillion denominations and they would still all be “Protestant”, that is non Catholic/ Orthodox. We are united in that front so to speak, so that when one crosses over to the other side, we can just as easily be tempted to say they were not well versed to be Protestant anyways, or as you say poorly catechized.

Tell me, was Luther, Huss, Tyndale, Wycliffe, Calvin, Zwingli poorly catechized, ignorant of their old church?
 
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mcq72 said:
I met you have way, admitting for sure some were poorly catechized who cross over to P church. The poohing is because you don’t go halfway also
by admitting some are well catechized and still leave CC for P church.
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Actually I did, by saying that maybe they just didn’t practice what they were taught.
mcq72 said:
Not really. We could have a zillion denominations and they would still all be “Protestant”, that is non Catholic/ Orthodox. We are united in that front so to speak,
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Oh, man. Are you really saying that you’re united with groups like the Westboro Baptist Church?
mcq72 said:
Tell me, was Luther, Huss, Tyndale, Wycliffe, Calvin, Zwingli poorly catechized, ignorant of their old church?
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Possibly. I’d have to study a bunch of them harder to know. I would say that pride, fear, laziness and greed probably all played their parts in some form or fashion for each.
 
Raxus said:
Actually I did, by saying that maybe they just didn’t practice what they were taught.
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Ok, that is another possibility but still not allowing for the other possibility of well catechized and well practiced, which is what I refer to.
 
Raxus said:
Oh, man. Are you really saying that you’re united with groups like the Westboro Baptist Church?
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Are they Orthodox or Catholic? Do they claim that the bishop of Rome has jurisdiction over them, beyond any honor or by example?
 
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Raxus said:
Possibly. I’d have to study a bunch of them harder to know. I would say that pride, fear, laziness and greed probably all played their parts in some form or fashion for each.
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Honest of you to call for more study, but seek and you shall find. Seek to find “pride, fear, laziness and greed” you will claim to see it. Seek, conviction and conscience, sincerity and good faith and you will see it.

One could also say those negatives you mentioned may have been also
been seen in the church’s resistance to their reform message.
 
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