Cohabitation

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And it can’t be fixed, not really. Once these things are done, they can’t be undone - there are no re-dos.

Yes, you can get married, and yes, you can stay married. But it will never be the same way it would have been, had you not shacked up and fornicated.

Harsh for some. But I know what I am talking about. Respect is not built upon sin.
Agreed. And in our case we just became another statistic. Things between us became turbulent and fell apart. And to my everlasting regret I know exactly what I did to cause it and exactly what point I gave into the temptation and fell to sin.
 
I do it because we were spending every night together anyway, so why pay 2 rents and sets of utilities? Also, since we both had half of our stuff at the other’s place it was very inconvenient. This way we have one set of bills, one home, and we get to share it together. And I love coming home from work and fixing dinner in our kitchen and going to sleep in our bed.
I guess playing house is fun. Good luck getting a ring, though.
 
I guess playing house is fun. Good luck getting a ring, though.
My husband and I married after several years of living together. We were in our 40s at the time, and trust me when I say that we were neither playing house nor what it all fun.

So go figure.

Luna
 
My husband and I married after several years of living together. We were in our 40s at the time, and trust me when I say that we were neither playing house nor what it all fun.

So go figure.

Luna
I understand Luna. I just have a lot of dear friends who cohabitated before marriage and described a feeling of nothing being different or special after the “paperwork”, or my poor dear girlfriends who long for marriage, but can’t get their boyfriend to commit. It’s the whole “Why buy the cow…” thing. My first marriage occured because I was pregnant when I was 18. I’m not perfect It didn’t last. I did correct my errors and did it right this time, and WHAT A DIFFERENCE waiting made.
 
I guess playing house is fun. Good luck getting a ring, though.
Very rude.

First of all, I have been co-habitating with my Fiance for about 2 years. We are both military and have had several instances in our relationship that we were separate for months and months. Do I have a ring? Of, course I do. Are we getting married through the Catholic Church? Yes we are, in about 4 months time.

What irks me so much about judgement against co-habitating couples is the assumption that our marriages will never work because we co-habitated. We both realize it was a mistake but it’s too late for that now.

How can Catholics invite new people into there Church when they are so judgmental sometimes? My Fiance and I were fortunate enough to discover the church together. We honestly had no idea what we were doing was wrong. No one in either of our families or circle of friends discouraged the move. My parents actually encouraged it. They co-habitated for 5 years before they married and have been happily (and un-happily at times) married for 30 years. It was also an easy out for all of us since they were selling there house and moving to a 60 plus community where I couldn’t follow. Coincidently my Fiance’s parents didn’t and are now divorced.

I’m not saying this is or was the right thing to do but some people would like to join the Catholic Church at a later time in life when they weren’t exposed to it as a child or were exposed to it but were poorly educated within the Catholic church and fell away and it makes the move far more difficult when they are told that rectifying the sins committed in the past is fruitless and potentially not worth the effort. I feel like I’ve basically read several posts that tell me my marriage will fail because we co-habitated. My priest seems to differ. He does not agree with our living arrangement but has told us, based on his meetings with us, we have a strong basis for a very successful marriage.
 
Reasons couples move in together will vary. It will depend on their relationship status - are they just dating and want to get out of where they are, are they already engaged, etc.

My dh & I started looking at houses about 10 months prior to our wedding, not knowing how long it would take to find something. 8 months out, we closed on a house. Spent the next four months (with the help of great family & friends) fixing it up - painting, cleaning, etc., and the fun part - shopping for furniture for it. 4 months later, we moved in. It was ready to go, we were paying the mortgage; so in we moved. Yes, it was 4 months prior to the wedding; however, we still waited for our wedding night to keep that aspect of our relationship special.

Why did we move in? We bought a house that put us each about 10 minutes or less from our jobs. And given that we both worked two jobs, only having a 10 min. drive at the end of a long day vs. us each having about a 30-45 min. drive to our parents’ homes, was fantastic. We both felt healthier, as we were far less exhausted, and our moms were thrilled, as they of course, being moms, were always worried about us having those late night drives home being that tired. 🙂

Honestly? I wouldn’t change a thing. We celebrate 11 years of a fantastic marriage next month, have a wonderful child, and are just as happy as we were on our wedding day.
 
Very rude.

First of all, I have been co-habitating with my Fiance for about 2 years. We are both military and have had several instances in our relationship that we were separate for months and months. Do I have a ring? Of, course I do. Are we getting married through the Catholic Church? Yes we are, in about 4 months time.

What irks me so much about judgement against co-habitating couples is the assumption that our marriages will never work because we co-habitated. We both realize it was a mistake but it’s too late for that now.

How can Catholics invite new people into there Church when they are so judgmental sometimes? My Fiance and I were fortunate enough to discover the church together. We honestly had no idea what we were doing was wrong. No one in either of our families or circle of friends discouraged the move. My parents actually encouraged it. They co-habitated for 5 years before they married and have been happily (and un-happily at times) married for 30 years. It was also an easy out for all of us since they were selling there house and moving to a 60 plus community where I couldn’t follow. Coincidently my Fiance’s parents didn’t and are now divorced.

I’m not saying this is or was the right thing to do but some people would like to join the Catholic Church at a later time in life when they weren’t exposed to it as a child or were exposed to it but were poorly educated within the Catholic church and fell away and it makes the move far more difficult when they are told that rectifying the sins committed in the past is fruitless and potentially not worth the effort. I feel like I’ve basically read several posts that tell me my marriage will fail because we co-habitated. My priest seems to differ. He does not agree with our living arrangement but has told us, based on his meetings with us, we have a strong basis for a very successful marriage.
My husband and I have been married 22 years, 12 of them in the Church. We shacked up before we married. Somehow we’ve managed to beat the odds, but I can tell you that there IS a difference when you are already intimate and sharing a space before you actually marry. Our wedding was a civil ceremony, in front of a judge, included no family, and yet, there was a difference after that ceremony and paperwork was completed. It mattered, a lot. But waiting for intimacy until our wedding night was never a thought since we had a history of fornication from early in our relationship. We had broken up twice before we shacked up and had been apart several years and then God put us back together.

There is an element of respect that is missing in our relationship, particularly from my husband toward me, and that I never recognized as being missing, but which I can never earn. I didn’t value my own body enough to keep it safe and whole. I knew no better, having lost my anchor at age 10. But once that sexual integrity is gone, it is not possible to re-create it. Would I do it differently now? Yes. Do I love my husband and my sons in spite of the way we lived our previous life? Of course. Do I wish better for my sons and their future wives? Oh yes. And all of your sons and daughters as well. Once you have lost the possibility of that special kind of awe of sexual intimacy between a husband and wife, it is a lifelong ache in your soul.

😦
 
My husband and I have been married 22 years, 12 of them in the Church. We shacked up before we married. Somehow we’ve managed to beat the odds, but I can tell you that there IS a difference when you are already intimate and sharing a space before you actually marry. Our wedding was a civil ceremony, in front of a judge, included no family, and yet, there was a difference after that ceremony and paperwork was completed. It mattered, a lot. But waiting for intimacy until our wedding night was never a thought since we had a history of fornication from early in our relationship. We had broken up twice before we shacked up and had been apart several years and then God put us back together.

There is an element of respect that is missing in our relationship, particularly from my husband toward me, and that I never recognized as being missing, but which I can never earn. I didn’t value my own body enough to keep it safe and whole. I knew no better, having lost my anchor at age 10. But once that sexual integrity is gone, it is not possible to re-create it. Would I do it differently now? Yes. Do I love my husband and my sons in spite of the way we lived our previous life? Of course. Do I wish better for my sons and their future wives? Oh yes. And all of your sons and daughters as well. Once you have lost the possibility of that special kind of awe of sexual intimacy between a husband and wife, it is a lifelong ache in your soul.

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Granted I’ve never been married but I do feel my Fiance respects me. He wasn’t a Catholic before but he was always a very devote Christian, all his life. He was raised Pentacostal and he left that branch as soon as he really began to dive into scriptures and read them and understand them. He bases his life around Jesus and His teachings and had an interest in the Catholic church for years but never actively pursued a transition until we found out we were pregnant. This was mostly because, he claims, the timing was never right between his family protesting, the military sending him on deployments and RCIA class timing. But here we are now. I do believe he respects me deeply, despite our situation.
As for me, I was raised “catholic” in the sense that my parents had already fallen away from the church when they had me but still felt it was important (or Grandma pressured them) for me to go to CCD and earn my sacraments. In short, I learned nothing more in 6 years then my “Our Fathers” and “Hail Mary’s” and was rewarded with candy for repeating them correctly. I begged my parents to let me quit because I hated it and felt spiritually lost for about 15 years.
Thank-God we found each other and have been working together for ourselves to become spiritually enriched and whole. We love each other and we do respect each other and I know Marriage vows before God will change our relationship.

I don’t think that much of respect has been lost between us but I also don’t have much relationship experience besides him and I’ve never been married, so I guess time will tell.
I know that the sexual intimacy is lost and it’s something we will never achieve and that is disappointing. Of course I wish I could give him my virginity and I wish he could give me mine.
I also don’t want my daughter or any of my future children to go through what I’ve been through to find the church. I want them to find a spouse and marry them with there integrity and sexuality un-blemished. I will go about it the best way I can…despite the fact that I wasn’t raised that way.
 
I guess playing house is fun. Good luck getting a ring, though.
Lived together for almost two years. Got a ring 19 months after moving in. Been married for 20 years.

Thanks for the luck though. :rolleyes:

Since I wasn’t a practicing Catholic at the time, we didn’t see that moving in together was a big deal. 🤷

My dad helped me move. So he wasn’t upset. My mom wasn’t thrilled, but came to our house on a regular basis, so she couldn’t have been too upset.

We dated for 3 months. I moved in with him. We lived together for 23 months. We were married by a judge. Had a child. I came back into the Church. We were married in the Church.

I don’t feel that there is anything missing in our lives. I have the ultimate respect for my husband, as he does for me.

It may have been a different story if I have been a practicing Catholic or if I had ever been taught that living together is wrong. But I wasn’t.
 
Many do it for economic reasons since it would be cheaping then maintaining two separate households. Some do so for convenience sake so they don’t have to commute back in forth, some do it because after dating for awhile it’s expected other do it as a trial run for marriage.
 
Why do people cohabitate together? Is there less taxes?
My dad died when I was young. My mom remarried when I was a young adult. Her second husband’s pension did not survive him and go to her when he died. At that point in time, she became eligible to receive my biological dad’s Social Security. If she had not married my step-dad, then she would have received Social Security in addition to other income that my step-dad received. Between the time that she turned 65 and the time that he died, that would have added up to more than $300,000 over 20 years.

Do marrying rather than cohabiting resulted in a loss of $300,000 in income.

Just an example of why people may choose not to.
 
I heard the arguement from a respected knowledgeable orthodox catholic friend of mine that a couple can cohabilitate if they are not sexually active. He went on to say that this is a potentially solution for gay couples to turn from sin but not neccesarily each other if they value each other’s company (essentially becoming roommates). Is it a sin to cohabilitate but live as brother and sister? The church seems to ask couples to “live as brother and sister” all the time. Sexual temptation would probably be higher but if the couple is strong enough to overcome then is there a problem?

Of course couples in such a situation would get some “stink eye” from fellow parishioners, particularly if they are gay, but not ultimately their business.

Cheers
 
I heard the arguement from a respected knowledgeable orthodox catholic friend of mine that a couple can cohabilitate if they are not sexually active. He went on to say that this is a potentially solution for gay couples to turn from sin but not neccesarily each other if they value each other’s company (essentially becoming roommates). Is it a sin to cohabilitate but live as brother and sister? The church seems to ask couples to “live as brother and sister” all the time. Sexual temptation would probably be higher but if the couple is strong enough to overcome then is there a problem?

Of course couples in such a situation would get some “stink eye” from fellow parishioners, particularly if they are gay, but not ultimately their business.

Cheers
The very definition of cohabitation by the Catholic Church implies sexual activity.
 
I heard the arguement from a respected knowledgeable orthodox catholic friend of mine that a couple can cohabilitate if they are not sexually active. He went on to say that this is a potentially solution for gay couples to turn from sin but not neccesarily each other if they value each other’s company (essentially becoming roommates). Is it a sin to cohabilitate but live as brother and sister? The church seems to ask couples to “live as brother and sister” all the time. Sexual temptation would probably be higher but if the couple is strong enough to overcome then is there a problem?

Of course couples in such a situation would get some “stink eye” from fellow parishioners, particularly if they are gay, but not ultimately their business.

Cheers
It has been said here, that cohabiting would be likely to create “scandal”. Given the more mature attitudes about coed living - there are many multi gender and multi sexuality households now which are strictly financial/living situations, that my take on this view is that it is simply old fashioned and outdated thinking. Only a small mind would find scandal, and it should not be anyone’s concern except for the person with the small mind.
 
I heard the arguement from a respected knowledgeable orthodox catholic friend of mine that a couple can cohabilitate if they are not sexually active. He went on to say that this is a potentially solution for gay couples to turn from sin but not neccesarily each other if they value each other’s company (essentially becoming roommates). Is it a sin to cohabilitate but live as brother and sister? The church seems to ask couples to “live as brother and sister” all the time. Sexual temptation would probably be higher but if the couple is strong enough to overcome then is there a problem?

Of course couples in such a situation would get some “stink eye” from fellow parishioners, particularly if they are gay, but not ultimately their business.

Cheers
I think the only problem would be from scandal, since the world will assume that sexual relations are going on. If they are married, there is no scandal.
 
I think the only problem would be from scandal, since the world will assume that sexual relations are going on. If they are married, there is no scandal.
I think the assumption these days is not necessarily that sexual relations are going on, unless you are of a certain generation. Maybe I am wrong about that. Regardless, I can understand how such rumors or speculation could harm a community of close knit and/or immature people, but I don’t really see how it would affect a modern church in our society. The whole idea of scandal seems quaint and outdated to me.
 
I think more problems from co-habitating before marriage come from couples who live together, break up and then co-habitate with someone else. It cheapens Marriage as a whole.
 
Thanks everyone,

It seems that ultimately there is a separation between living arrangement and sexual act. There may be good arguments to live together or not to live together but living together by itself is not the sin. Conversely, any sexual act before marriage is a sin regardless of living arrangement.
In other words if my son was in his 20s and said he was moving in with his girlfriend, I would have lots of practical advice for him but wouldn’t need to suggest confession unless I knew he was sexually active. (would he tell me? :))
While sexual acts are a sin, showing affection is not.
You’re right that there’s not much scandal for straight couples in church. Of course if a gay couple showed up to church holding hands, it’s much more noticeable!
 
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