Comedian Michelle Wolf sparks fury, debate with roast at correspondents' dinner

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Michelle Wolf should be very careful. Kathy Griffin virtually ended her career with material that was less offensive.
 
jagged said:
Ha, ha, great joke by Trump. I wonder if that had anything to do with his son meeting with someone he thought was a Russian agent. And bragging about potential criminal behavior while drunk can still cause an investigation.
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Trump Jr 's meeting ha been investigated and is the big nothing it was from the beginning. And if getting “dirt” on Clinton was not a crime, then neither is bragging about it. Regardless, the Trump campaign never made contact with the Russians.

It is not the American legal system to investigate people for crimes in the absence of any crime having been committed. That’s just Stalinism. As Beria said to Stalin “Show me the man and I’ll find the crime.” That’s what’s going on. If Trump wasn’t the target, liberals would be just as worried about that as they used to be.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Thread topic. What Michelle Wolf said was pretty vile. Response liberals, What Michelle said is ok because Trump is worse.

It’s Trump’s fault.
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You might try the “Summarize This Topic” feature for a summary that is faithful to the actual thread.
 
Shakuhachi said:
Right, Michelle Wolf is not that funny even on the Daily Show. And she was very inappropriate at this dinner. I only heard a few lines. But President Trump has crossed the "appropriateness’ line so many times and I so many ways, it is double standard for his camp to now be whining.
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I didn’t watch. But I agree. I have watched Trump for years now and his display of inappropriate behavior, from mocking a disabled man and everything else that his faithful followers dismiss as being funny and a joke.
 
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Inisfallen:
That’s not whataboutism, that’s an apt comparison. Both performances were inappropriate for the occasion, for the same reasons.
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The itsy bitsy difference is that he was a candidate for president. He now is president.

I can turn off Michelle wolf and never listen to her again. Actually, I had a certain point misread the name, and thought Michael Wolf was the presenter.
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This ^^^^^^. (Extra arrows just to pacify the CAF character requirement)
 
I think there was a lot more involved in Griffin’s case. Wolf didn’t say anything considered a threat, considered worthy of investigation, or that marked her for higher airport security measures.
 
Sy_Noe said:
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Shakuhachi:
Right, Michelle Wolf is not that funny even on the Daily Show. And she was very inappropriate at this dinner. I only heard a few lines. But President Trump has crossed the "appropriateness’ line so many times and I so many ways, it is double standard for his camp to now be whining.
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I didn’t watch. But I agree. I have watched Trump for years now and his display of inappropriate behavior, from mocking a disabled man and everything else that his faithful followers dismiss as being funny and a joke.
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Yes, Trump didittoo. And worse.
 
Yes and we are constantly being called out for our " whataboutism’s from the liberals here.Yet they too are guilty of this.Again just another double standard.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Yes and we are constantly being called out for our " whataboutism’s from the liberals here.Yet they too are guilty of this.Again just another double standard.
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Haven’t seen a single defense of Trump’s vulgarity as being funny by any Trump faithful followers here. Of course correcting people who make false claims about what Trump actually said and did makes us Trump apologists.
 
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qui_est_ce said:
Haven’t seen a single defense of Trump’s vulgarity as being funny by any Trump faithful followers here.
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Well, RidgeRunner did claim that the infamous remarks on the Billy Bush tape were just jokes (although he didn’t claim that they were funny jokes).

That said, RR was actually making a serious case for his point of view. I don’t agree with him, but he wasn’t just making ridiculous assertions.
 
Inisfallen said:
Well, RidgeRunner did claim that the infamous remarks on the Billy Bush tape were just jokes (although he didn’t claim that they were funny jokes).
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Kinda like Michelle Wolf telling jokes that weren’t funny.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Kinda like Michelle Wolf telling jokes that weren’t funny.
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Eh. I thought most of them were funny. I thought that at times, her language was inappropriate for the room. It would have been one thing in a nightclub, it was another at that dinner.

But to each their own.
 
Tulitas said:
Comedy, in general has mostly been about making fun of people sometimes one’s own self, but it tends to be a socially acceptable way to criticize others.

Here’s a good article on what makes something “funny”

A Quest to Understand What Makes Things Funny | The New Yorker
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I’ve read the article and I’m not sure that I follow you. It had a variety of theories of humor. The one about the misfortune of others looked relevant to what you said, but the other theories did not; benign expectation violation or coping with ones own situation stood out to me. It didn’t give me any impressions about comedy as a blood sport.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It didn’t give me any impressions about comedy as a blood sport.
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It can be a blood sport. Look at Swift, or even Aristophanes.

And I think satire, even vicious satire, is healthy for a free country. Keeps our leaders in their place.
 
Luke6_37 said:
Some of the jokes are really brutal, but they all have a kernel of uncomfortable truth.
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I found far more ignorance in her jokes than truth. The one thing I got from listening to her is that she truly does not understand those who do not share her particular viewpoint. She is ignorant and clueless as to the real political issues she is making fun of. That is why the 5% of the jokes she made about Democrats were so ineffective. She really sees nothing from the point of view across the aisle.

I am concerned that there are many more like her that will never understand being a conservative, just as there are so many conservatives ignorant as to what being progressive (or Democrat) is really like.
 
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Luke6_37:
Just to clarify things…

The rule with my kids has always been, “Don’t ever let me hear you speaking in a vulgar manner.”

That teaches them to be mindful of their audience and to own it when they get caught. No excuses.

Trump got caught, don’t you think he should be held accountable?
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Trump got caught using foul language, and that’s a fact. He has already been “held accountable” likely millions of times by his political opponents pretending offense like a bunch of bogus Puritans.
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He got caught, but you don’t seem to think it’s his to own. Rather you make excuses and seek to shift blame.

If my son tried that, he’d lose his phone & PS4 for a week.
 
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NPR:
On Sunday, the White House Correspondents’ Association issued a statement saying:
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“Last night’s program was meant to offer a unifying message about our common commitment to a vigorous and free press while honoring civility, great reporters and scholarship winners, not to divide people. Unfortunately, the entertainer’s monologue was not in the spirit of that mission.”
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But while some journalists have suggested that the dinner should no longer include a guest comic, Wolf insists she wasn’t there to “cater to the room.”
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Terry Groos:
I think you’ve managed to end the long tradition of having a comedian at the corespondents dinner.
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jagged said:
Holy cow. A big nothing? Someone claiming to be an agent of a foreign government successfully sets up a meeting with the son of a candidate who brings along the candidate’s campaign manager under the promise of dirt on his father’s political opponent. And that’s nothing?

Truly worthy of a gold medal for verbal gymnastics.
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Might be, but it’s not a crime.
 
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