Commandments

[Robbinson]

Thank you for your response.

If I understand you correctly, you agree that the Sabbath day was created on the seventh day of the creation week.

May I ask, were in the Bible does it mention that "The tablets with the commandments on them were (in one view) created by the end of the sixth day "?

The most important point of why the Sabbath, that was established on the seventh day of creation week, is not a “foreshadowing of a Sabbath to come” . The laws of sacrifices and circumcision were given to man after he had sinned. They were to point sinners symbolically to Jesus. The Sabbath was given to man before he had sinned, as soon as man was created.

You might say that the law was given only to the Jews. Two reasons why not: Abraham kept the Sabbath Day and God also wanted the “Gentiles”, or “stranger” to keep the Sabbath day. the verse below indicates that the “stranger” was not to perform any work at all and rest and worship God on the Sabbath day. Therefore, the Sabbath day and the rest of the commandments were given to the Jews and to all men.

(Exo 20:10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

written with love

Hi Craig - the Sabbath was, I believe, a reminder of the “rest”, “shalom” and “peace” that Adam and Eve enjoyed in the garden of Eden when they “walked with God” in God’s presence and pointed to the day when we would “rest” again in God’s presence which was f ulfilled when Jesus came and gave us “rest”. We “rest” “today” (Hebrews) and “everyday” now in Christ who is our rest, our shalom and our peace fulfilling the Sabbath which is now “perpetual”. This will be more fully fufilled in the second coming when we will reign with Christ in Heaven.

You have “liberty” to follow all or any part of the mosaic law (including the Sabbath) but it has been “fulfilled” in Christ - just as he fulfilled the Temple and the animal sacrifices in his body and his perfect sacrifice - so he fulfills for us the Sabbath.

Blessings,

Brian

 

[adrift]

Thank you for your response.

If I understand you correctly, you agree that the Sabbath day was created on the seventh day of the creation week.

May I ask, were in the Bible does it mention that "The tablets with the commandments on them were (in one view) created by the end of the sixth day "?

The most important point of why the Sabbath, that was established on the seventh day of creation week, is not a “foreshadowing of a Sabbath to come” . The laws of sacrifices and circumcision were given to man after he had sinned. They were to point sinners symbolically to Jesus. The Sabbath was given to man before he had sinned, as soon as man was created.

You might say that the law was given only to the Jews. Two reasons why not: Abraham kept the Sabbath Day and God also wanted the “Gentiles”, or “stranger” to keep the Sabbath day. the verse below indicates that the “stranger” was not to perform any work at all and rest and worship God on the Sabbath day. Therefore, the Sabbath day and the rest of the commandments were given to the Jews and to all men.

(Exo 20:10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

written with love

deja vu.
You have yet to provide evidence that Abraham kept the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Man was not made for the Sabbath. You are speaking of the old law which Jesus fulfilled.

We are no longer under the old law.

 

[onlyvoice]

I believe you have miscalculated. We agree that the first day of the week would be Saturday night to Sunday night. Paul says he is leaving tomorrow which would be Sunday night until Monday Night. It is unlikely that Paul would leave at night. The logical conclusion is that he left Monday morning. The morning could not be Sunday as he said he was leaving tomorrow. Sunday morning would not be tomorrow yet. Paul talks to them until break of day and then leaves. Since it already states that he was leaving the next day and it is daybreak it must be Monday morning. Jewish worship has a Saturday night meeting and a Saturday afternoon meeting. It is more likely that the meeting began Sunday and ran until midnight.

I am with BTTG on this. Notice that when it says, “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,” the event happened at the start of the day they call the “first day of the week” which starts from sundown of Saturday. So, it was on Saturday night when the disciples got together, maybe around 6 or 7 pm when they “break bread.” Then it says, “Paul preached unto them” – the same Saturday night – “ready to depart on the morrow.”

Now, is this “morrow” 24 hours from that time, or is this referring to the next morning? The account continues that Paul “continued his speech until midnight” [of that same Saturday night]” So, Paul preached only the whole night of Saturday stopping at midnight and did not preach again. Then verse 9 thru 10 tells of a man who fell from the third floor while Paul was preaching. This happened the same night.

And then we come to the next verse (10) where it says Paul, after helping the man, went back upstairs, ate, and “talked a long while” until daybreak, and then “he departed.”

Now, when did Paul depart? Clearly, it was the next morning, Sunday morning at sunrise.

 

[onlyvoice]

It doesn’t say that Paul or the early Christians observed this feast. It merely mentions the feast perhaps to give the time of year.

You are right it doesn’t say that, not directly. It is implied. I believe the Holy Spirit could never have inspired those words had the Church stopped keeping those days. Notice also in Acts 12:3-4: “Then were the days of unleavened bread.” Why this, if those days had, in God’s sight, become irrelevant and so had ceased to exist? I don’t think God [since He’s the one actually saying it] would mention this festival if He had already abolished it. This was years after the crucifixion yet the Holy Spirit inspired Luke to write, “Then were the days of unleavened bread.”

Your meaning is unclear could you restate?

I meant the Days of Unleavened Bread was ordained and established prior to the Old Covenant. That being the case, it could not be dissolved when the Old Covenant was done away.

Mission10 was saying Paul “no longer felt bound by the requirements of the old covenant,” implying that the festival was a requirement exclusively of the old covenant and so it “died” with its passing. I was pointing out that the Old Covenant did not institute this festival; that it was established long before the establishment of the Old Covenant; and that what the Old Covenant did not bring or institute, it cannot take away.

It has to be mentioned also that at its establishment, the festival was instituted to be “an ordinance forever” (Exodus 12:17).

Please clarify which Pentecost he is observing the Jewish or Christian. But like the first mention it might just be to give the timing of when things happen.

I believe it’s neither. I believe Paul and the early Church observed a Monday Pentecost. The Jews in general observe Pentecost on a fixed day of the month, Sivan 6, while today’s Christians, although observing it correctly on a fixed day of the week, observe it on a Sunday. One discarded the count while the other counted incorrectly.

 

[BTTG]

deja vu.
You have yet to provide evidence that Abraham kept the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Man was not made for the Sabbath. You are speaking of the old law which Jesus fulfilled.

We are no longer under the old law.

God loves you and so do I .

However, I do not wish to communicate with you, as mentioned before.

written with love

 

[BTTG]

Hi Craig - the Sabbath was, I believe, a reminder of the “rest”, “shalom” and “peace” that Adam and Eve enjoyed in the garden of Eden when they “walked with God” in God’s presence and pointed to the day when we would “rest” again in God’s presence which was f ulfilled when Jesus came and gave us “rest”. We “rest” “today” (Hebrews) and “everyday” now in Christ who is our rest, our shalom and our peace fulfilling the Sabbath which is now “perpetual”. This will be more fully fufilled in the second coming when we will reign with Christ in Heaven.

You have “liberty” to follow all or any part of the mosaic law (including the Sabbath) but it has been “fulfilled” in Christ - just as he fulfilled the Temple and the animal sacrifices in his body and his perfect sacrifice - so he fulfills for us the Sabbath.

Blessings,

Brian

Hi Brian

Good to hear from you again.

In Gen. 2:2-3, is this the Sabbath day?

Do you think Adam and Eve, before they sinned, kept the meaning of the Sabbath day according to Exo. 8-11?

Do you think Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath day after they sinned?

Thank you

written with love

 

[adrift]

I am with BTTG on this. Notice that when it says, “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,” the event happened at the start of the day they call the “first day of the week” which starts from sundown of Saturday. So, it was on Saturday night when the disciples got together, maybe around 6 or 7 pm when they “break bread.” Then it says, “Paul preached unto them” – the same Saturday night – “ready to depart on the morrow.”

The Jews came together on Saturday night and on Sunday afternoon. Sunday afternoon would also be called the first day of the week. Notice that he said that he would depart the next day. Now you can’t have it both ways. You can’t count a day from sunset to sunset and then change it to what we would call tomorrow. Their tomorrow would refer to the next day Sunday sunset to Monday sunset. When Paul say he is leaving tomorrow it is that period of time-Sunday sunset to Monday sunset that would be tomorrow.

Now, is this “morrow” 24 hours from that time, or is this referring to the next morning? The account continues that Paul “continued his speech until midnight” [of that same Saturday night]” So, Paul preached only the whole night of Saturday stopping at midnight and did not preach again. Then verse 9 thru 10 tells of a man who fell from the third floor while Paul was preaching. This happened the same night.

Tomorrow means the next day. You are assuming that they began on Saturday night. I have already stated that meeting also took place in the afternoon. Sunday also included the morning and the afternoon. No where does it state that the midnight is Saturday night that is something you are reading into it.

And then we come to the next verse (10) where it says Paul, after helping the man, went back upstairs, ate, and “talked a long while” until daybreak, and then “he departed.”

Now, when did Paul depart? Clearly, it was the next morning, Sunday morning at sunrise

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Clearly this would not be the next day. The next day would be Sunday night. Paul says he left at daybreak as planned the next day. Now if you want to go from midnight to midnight to reckon the day fine. But don’t switch the reckoning to fit your theology.

According to the sundown to sundown of the reckoning of a day, Paul’s said he was leaving on the next day. The next day from Sunday is Monday not Sunday morning.

 

[adrift]

God loves you and so do I .

However, I do not wish to communicate with you, as mentioned before.

written with love

I wonder why you state this now. Why not just ignore me. The reason you say you are not answering me seems to be a pretext not to answer what you are unable to answer. Please don’t be HYPOCRITICAL in signing “with Love” as it is anything but love. Your remarks have been very judgmental going against Jesus command not to judge least you be judged.

 

[Robbinson]

Hi Brian

Good to hear from you again.

Thank you Craig - blessings to you.

In Gen. 2:2-3, is this the Sabbath day?

Yes, but the command to observe the Sabbath in rest, as a commandment, is not given until the law at Mt. Sinai. And that commandment, I believe, was designed to bring man’s heart back to God and to recall/glimpse what it was like, and would one day again be like, to be in God’s fellowship, we have now in our rest in Christ.

Do you think Adam and Eve, before they sinned, kept the meaning of the Sabbath day according to Exo. 8-11?.

I believe they were in God’s presence and the basked in the blessing of the “7th day” which was at that time perpetual “rest in God”. In that sense, yes.

Do you think Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath day after they sinned?

No - because the Sabbath day commandment did not yet exist and they were no longer in God’s presence having been banished from the Garden of Eden and from God’s rest.
Craig - question for you - I know you are are a saturday Sabbath observer - do you also fellowship with Christians on Sunday the Lord’s day (and if not, why not given this was done by Christians in the New Testament)? Do you not find significance in the fact that Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week, that his reapparances were on the first day of the week?

Blessings,

Brian

 

[adrift]

In Gen. 2:2-3, is this the Sabbath day?

Do you think Adam and Eve, before they sinned, kept the meaning of the Sabbath day according to Exo. 8-11?

Do you think Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath day after they sinned?

Thank you

written with love

This is all under the old law.
There is no Scripture that indicates that Adam and Eve kept a Sabbath or any other day holy. For that matter, there is no evidence that Adam and Eve had a week as we know it now. What day is the first day? Most working people regard Monday as the first day of the week.

 

[onlyvoice]

The Jews came together on Saturday night and on Sunday afternoon. Sunday afternoon would also be called the first day of the week. Notice that he said that he would depart the next day. Now you can’t have it both ways. You can’t count a day from sunset to sunset and then change it to what we would call tomorrow. Their tomorrow would refer to the next day Sunday sunset to Monday sunset. When Paul say he is leaving tomorrow it is that period of time-Sunday sunset to Monday sunset that would be tomorrow.

Tomorrow means the next day. You are assuming that they began on Saturday night. I have already stated that meeting also took place in the afternoon. Sunday also included the morning and the afternoon. No where does it state that the midnight is Saturday night that is something you are reading into it.

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Clearly this would not be the next day. The next day would be Sunday night. Paul says he left at daybreak as planned the next day. Now if you want to go from midnight to midnight to reckon the day fine. But don’t switch the reckoning to fit your theology.

According to the sundown to sundown of the reckoning of a day, Paul’s said he was leaving on the next day. The next day from Sunday is Monday not Sunday morning.

Thank you. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[pablope]

Hi Brian

Good to hear from you again.

Thank you

written with love

Scripture references for Sunday worship

Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

 

[BTTG]

Scripture references for Sunday worship

Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

Thanks for your reply, the scriptures that you provide supporting Sunday have been previously discussed. I encourage you to read the entire thread and my answers will be provided why the scriptures that you quote do not support Sunday as God’s day of worship. I also encourage you to read not just " a verse" , but the entire context of which the verse applies, as the bible says how to study doctorine…line upon line, precept upon precept ( Isa. 28:10),

 

[BTTG]

Thank you Craig - blessings to you.

Yes, but the command to observe the Sabbath in rest, as a commandment, is not given until the law at Mt. Sinai. And that commandment, I believe, was designed to bring man’s heart back to God and to recall/glimpse what it was like, and would one day again be like, to be in God’s fellowship, we have now in our rest in Christ.

Response- Sorry Brian , I don’t quite understand your thinking. Would you please expand on your comment “yes, but the command to observe the Sabbath”. We don’t know how many days it was between God creating Adam/Eve and when they first sinned. Was the Sabbath day different/observed different then any of the other six days of the week for Adam and Eve?

I believe they were in God’s presence and the basked in the blessing of the “7th day” which was at that time perpetual “rest in God”. In that sense, yes.

No - because the Sabbath day commandment did not yet exist and they were no longer in God’s presence having been banished from the Garden of Eden and from God’s rest.
Craig - question for you - I know you are are a saturday Sabbath observer - do you also fellowship with Christians on Sunday the Lord’s day (and if not, why not given this was done by Christians in the New Testament)? Do you not find significance in the fact that Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week, that his reapparances were on the first day of the week?

**Response- Did not Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc., “rest in God” 7 days a week? Please explain what you mean by “God’s rest”.

To your question… I do rest in God on Sunday, as I do the other six days of the week. Most Sundays, I do groceries, work around the house, do some professional work, and spend time in God’s word.
Jesus, I believe, would not be resurrected on the Sabbath, because He rested on the Sabbath, even after His death. Jesus did not command us to worship on Sunday, or that He wanted a specific day to honor His resurrection. The honoring of Jesus’ resurrection is done by the outward sign of Baptism. God/Jesus wrote with His own finger, permanently in stone- (a sapphire stone from the heavenly Kingdom) ( not like the other 613 commands that were written on a scroll).
I do not find in scripture that Sunday indicates the Lord’s day. It is to me clear in the OT that the Lord’s day was on the Sabbath/Saturday. Did God change the day that He blessed and sanctified on the seventh day of creation. God does not change something that He has blessed…man cannot change either…(Num 23:20) Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
**

written with love

 

[Robbinson]

Sorry Brian , I don’t quite understand your thinking. Would you please expand on your comment “yes, but the command to observe the Sabbath”. We don’t know how many days it was between God creating Adam/Eve and when they first sinned. Was the Sabbath day different/observed different then any of the other six days of the week for Adam and Eve?

Craig - while God blessed the 7th day in Genesis, the commandment to Israel or others to observe the Sabbath as a day of rest did not occur until Sinai - if you see it earlier in scripture, please let me know. I believe that each “day” in the Genesis creation account was a period of long duration (e.g., as noted in an earlier reply to you by another poster, the sun is not even created until after several “days” of creation so the concept of a 24 hour day separated by the rising and setting of the sun is not likely what God means when he defined each “day” in Genesis). I believe that God’s blessing of the 7th day was the blessing of his fellowship walking with man in the Garden of Eden, which was to be eternal - until Adam (and Eve’s) sin when they were banished from the Garden (and from “rest” with God).

Did not Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc., “rest in God” 7 days a week? Please explain what you mean by “God’s rest”.

Actually, Hebrews tells us that Israel in fact never entered into God’s rest on the Sabbath (as intended) due to disobedience, etc - and, by the grace of God in the new covenant, we finally in fact enter into his rest “today” and “everyday” in Christ.

To your question… I do rest in God on Sunday, as I do the other six days of the week. Most Sundays, I do groceries, work around the house, do some professional work, and spend time in God’s word.
Jesus, I believe, would not be resurrected on the Sabbath, because He rested on the Sabbath, even after His death. Jesus did not command us to worship on Sunday, or that He wanted a specific day to honor His resurrection. The honoring of Jesus’ resurrection is done by the outward sign of Baptism. God/Jesus wrote with His own finger, permanently in stone- (a sapphire stone from the heavenly Kingdom) ( not like the other 613 commands that were written on a scroll).
I do not find in scripture that Sunday indicates the Lord’s day.

We have some agreement (that is nice) as I rest in Christ “every day” too! That is the point - the Sabbath “commandment” of rest on Saturday/Sabbath, part of the mosaic covenant was pointing to the coming of Christ when we would rest in Christ “every day”. The Lord’s Day is not the Sabbath (mosaic Sabbath) commandment - but, following the pattern of rest in the 10 commandments, is a day of solemnity to recal the resurrection, instituted by the Church based on the authority given to Peter and the Apostles. The “Sabbath” is in fact “fulfilled” in Christ.

Blessings,

Brian

 

[adrift]

Thank you. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Yes I agree that we will not have a meeting of the minds. Although I am still curious as to how as it was the first day of the week (Sunday) that tomorrow would mean Sunday morning:shrug:

 

[adrift]

I do not find in scripture that Sunday indicates the Lord’s day. It is to me clear in the OT that the Lord’s day was on the Sabbath/Saturday. Did God change the day that He blessed and sanctified on the seventh day of creation. God does not change something that He has blessed…man cannot change either…(Num 23:20) Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

Jesus as the Lord

Jesus is identified as Lord many times in the Gospels. Jesus is pointed out as Lord by John the Baptist Mathew 3:3 Mark 1:3 . In Matthew 7:22 and Mathew 12:8 Jesus refers to Himself as being Lord. The disciples and many others address Jesus as Lord. It has never been the Jewish custom, to call the Sabbath the Lord’s day. However, Christians consistently used the term to denote the first day of the week. When John says that:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day,

He could only mean Sunday.

 

[adrift]

I am sorry I missed this:

You are right it doesn’t say that, not directly. It is implied. I believe the Holy Spirit could never have inspired those words had the Church stopped keeping those days. Notice also in Acts 12:3-4: “Then were the days of unleavened bread.” Why this, if those days had, in God’s sight, become irrelevant and so had ceased to exist? I don’t think God [since He’s the one actually saying it] would mention this festival if He had already abolished it. This was years after the crucifixion yet the Holy Spirit inspired Luke to write, “Then were the days of unleavened bread.”

What makes you think it was abolished? It was fulfilled in what is commonly known as Mass.

I meant the Days of Unleavened Bread was ordained and established prior to the Old Covenant. That being the case, it could not be dissolved when the Old Covenant was done away.

Here is another place we disagree. The old covenant began with Abraham.

Mission10 was saying Paul “no longer felt bound by the requirements of the old covenant,” implying that the festival was a requirement exclusively of the old covenant and so it “died” with its passing. I was pointing out that the Old Covenant did not institute this festival; that it was established long before the establishment of the Old Covenant; and that what the Old Covenant did not bring or institute, it cannot take away.

I see your point but your only correct if it came before the Old Covenant which it did not. This is going to be one of those things that we cannot agree on because we have such a radical difference of out look. We can however come to understanding. That is not to bad.

It has to be mentioned also that at its establishment, the festival was instituted to be “an ordinance forever” (Exodus 12:17).

The question is who is to keep this ordinance? I would agree with you that it is forever but I would also say that it is kept in the command “do this in memory of me”

1 Corinthians 16:8 - But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.

This shows that Paul observed Pentecost but that on this particular year he celebrated it at Ephesus. Again, the law does not say these festivals had to be celebrated in Jerusalem.

Please clarify which Pentecost he is observing the Jewish or Christian. But like the first mention it might just be to give the timing of when things happen.

I believe it’s neither. I believe Paul and the early Church observed a Monday Pentecost. The Jews in general observe Pentecost on a fixed day of the month, Sivan 6, while today’s Christians, although observing it correctly on a fixed day of the week, observe it on a Sunday. One discarded the count while the other counted incorrectly.

If it was neither the Jewish nor Christian Pentecost than he didn’t observe Pentecost.

 

[adrift]

To keep Sabbath

Now we read in Exo. 4 about Moses’ encounter with the Pharaoh about the Sabbath.

(Exo 5:4) And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works? get you unto your burdens. (Exo 5:5) And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.

The same definition of “rest” - Sabbath, in the above verse, is the same definition in that of Gen.

We you read on in Exo. 5:6- onward, we see the Pharaoh is upset that Moses want’s his people to have a Sabbath day rest and makes then work harder.

Putting it into context Ex 5:6 does not mention the Sabbath. No where does it say that this feast is to be on the seventh day. The Pharaoh is upset because they would be gone for a three days journey into the wilderness. This is not about the Sabbath.

And afterward Moses and Aaron came, and said unto Pharaoh, Thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness.2 And Pharaoh said, Who is Jehovah, that I should hearken unto his voice to let Israel go? I know not Jehovah, and moreover I will not let Israel go.
3 And they said, The God of the Hebrews hath met with us: let us go, we pray thee, three days’ journey into the wilderness, and sacrifice unto Jehovah our God, lest he fall upon us with pestilence, or with the sword. 4 And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, loose the people from their works? get you unto your burdens. 5 And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land are now many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.

 

[BTTG]

Craig - while God blessed the 7th day in Genesis, the commandment to Israel or others to observe the Sabbath as a day of rest did not occur until Sinai - if you see it earlier in scripture, please let me know. I believe that each “day” in the Genesis creation account was a period of long duration (e.g., as noted in an earlier reply to you by another poster, the sun is not even created until after several “days” of creation so the concept of a 24 hour day separated by the rising and setting of the sun is not likely what God means when he defined each “day” in Genesis). I believe that God’s blessing of the 7th day was the blessing of his fellowship walking with man in the Garden of Eden, which was to be eternal - until Adam (and Eve’s) sin when they were banished from the Garden (and from “rest” with God).

**Response - thanks Brian for your thoughts. By blessing and sanctifying the 7th day Sabbath/Saturday before sin entered this earth, it could not be a "shadow ", as all “shadow” came after sin entered this earth.
Abraham kept the 10 commandments including the Sabbath day…(Gen 26:5) BecauseH6118 thatH834 AbrahamH85 obeyedH8085 my voice,H6963 and keptH8104 my charge,H4931 my commandments,H4687 my statutes,H2708 and my laws.H8451

• Strongs concordance indicates that " my laws-H8451" is the Decalogue/10 commandments.

The Catholic Encyclopedia states that the “laws” in the above verse is “Divine Law is that which is enacted by God and made known to man through revelation.**”
Furthermore, the Catholic Encyclopedia states “all the precepts of the Decalogue are also precepts of the natural law, which can be gathered by reason from nature herself, and in fact they were known long before Moses wrote them down at the express command of God.” Notice that it reads " all the precepts of the Decalogue, which would include the Sabbath Day/Saturday.

Brian, I think we need to be very careful and know for sure if a day in Genesis is a 24 hour period, or a longer period of time. If it were a longer period of time, this could bring into questions that the earth could be billions of years old, thus bringing into question the evolution theory( of stupidity ). I strongly believe that evening and morning were/still are 24 hour periods of time. We see in Gen 1:4-5 that the Night was darkness and Day was light combining to make the first day.

Actually, Hebrews tells us that Israel in fact never entered into God’s rest on the Sabbath (as intended) due to disobedience, etc - and, by the grace of God in the new covenant, we finally in fact enter into his rest “today” and “everyday” in Christ.

**I agree with your statement. Israel was so legalistic and the Sabbath day was a burden to them. That is why Jesus came to correct Israel and exemplify the true meaning of the Sabbath day. That is why Jesus preached on the Sabbath. Also in (Joh 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
I don’t believe Jesus would come to defend the Sabbath day of worship and then upon His death, without telling any of His disciples, that the Sabbath day was to be abolished, that a commandment was to be abolished/ or the meaning of the day was to be changed.
I believe the Sabbath day/Saturday is to not be changed to Sunday to honor the resurrection of Jesus, but as it was meant from the beginning of creation-Adam , to honor the God who created the earth and the skies and all that is in them. For if you remove the original meaning ( Exo. 20:8-11) , of the Sabbath day we do not know who our God is. The fourth commandment is the commandment that gives to us both the name and the title of the lawgiver. It is the only one of the commandments that shows whose authority the law is given. **

written with love