Commentary: "Coronavirus shows again why 'Medicare for all' is a bad idea"

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Eh, there has been lots of criticism of Hayek for those words. Not to mention in the Constitution of Liberty his essentially social democratic vision of society. I believe it was that or maybe Law, Legislation and Liberty. Never said I agree with Hayek on everything.
But we appreciate your suggestion that we read the views of those I presume you believe worth reading. We’re all a little more educated as to the preferred option of your go-to man for economics as regards medical care now.

It’s odd but I find the same situation in threads about evolution. Those who deny it exists often post links which they believe supports their position but a little digging beneath the surface reveals just the opposite. Seems the same is true with regard to health care.
 
Lol oh okay. Never said he was my go to man for economics. I find it a great essay and he was a great economist. Doesn’t mean I have to endorse his views on everything. I find your sarcastic dismissal amusing. Good day.
 
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Lol oh okay. Never said he was my go to man for economics. I find it a great essay and he was a great economist. Doesn’t mean I have to endorse his views on everything. I find your sarcastic dismissal amusing. Good day.
You could have linked to anyone at all that backed up your views. That was the idea, wasn’t it? It just seems odd that the person whose views you presumably believe we should trust, directly opposes the very point you were trying to make.

Anyway, I’m glad you were amused. We all need a little light relief in times like these.
 
You could have linked to anyone at all that backed up your views. That was the idea, wasn’t it? It just seems odd that the person whose views you presumably believe we should trust, directly opposes the very point you were trying to make.
I thought the point was how markets work? I said you didn’t understand how markets work. You said enlighten me. I posted that article and two on health care. What’s the issue?
 
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You could have linked to anyone at all that backed up your views. That was the idea, wasn’t it? It just seems odd that the person whose views you presumably believe we should trust, directly opposes the very point you were trying to make.
I thought the point was how markets work? I said you didn’t understand how markets work. You said enlighten me. I posted that article and two on health care. What’s the issue?
No issue. I’m now a little more educated on the views of that great libertarian Hayek than I was before. I am more enlightened as to his views on health care. Perhaps you are as well. I’m sure it’ll come in handy.
 
His views on health care are irrelevant. I can cite Joan Robinson without endorsing Keynesianism or Leland Yeager without agreeing that the monetarists explained the Great Depression best. I still don’t think you understand how markets work. Sorry.
 
His views on health care are irrelevant.
This is a thread on health care. I think his views on health care (and you linked to him presumably as a person whose views are worth reading) are entirely relevant. How could they not be? And there’s no need to apologise.
 
Again, you asked me to tell you how markets work. The essay I provided is a great basic explanation. His views on health care are irrelevant to that essay or my citation. If you think I have to agree with everything a writer says to cite him, that’s your mistake.

Now, back to the topic.
 
Again, you asked me to tell you how markets work. The essay I provided is a great basic explanation. His views on health care are irrelevant to that essay or my citation. If you think I have to agree with everything a writer says to cite him, that’s your mistake.

Now, back to the topic.
I think that you’re missing the point. The point of discussion was how does the market operate within a health care system. And Hayek believes that market forces are not relevant to the extent that there is no reason ‘why the state should not assist the individual in providing for those common hazards of life’.

That IS the topic.
 
In a very fast look, teh cheapest electron microscope came up at 75K.

Not sure, since they seem anti-FDA. what they intend to do with their vaccine. And fooling around with this in a backyard laboratory - well, I guess we now have accurate and fast tests to see if they have infected themselves. They are going to put it out in the public domain? and FDA is going say “Oh, isn’t that nice” and award them 10 brownie points?
 
If we all had affordable health care access, maybe we could all get our wellness act together.
It doesn’t take professional “healthcare” to make wise eating choices, to be careful with alcohol, to not take up destructive practices like smoking or addictive drugs, to be as physically active as the body’s limitations will allow and to respect limitations that prevent pursuit of activities that others enjoy, to participate in “dangerous” activities with great care (e.g., driving a motorcycle, bungie jumping, snowmobiling, etc.), to drive defensively and abide by your limitations, to get adequate sleep, to monitor mental and emotional health and avoid as much as possible situations that trigger excess stress and anger, to avoid becoming involved with any type of crime, and to honor God and His creation.

I agree that providing basic wellness care would be a good investment by the government.
 
Apples and oranges. They have almost 100% homogeneous populations which are well regimented and more naturally obedient to government.
 
As soon as you disagree with “conventional wisdom” you are likely to be set upon as jus’ plain ignant, a hater, a troglodyte or worse: insennnnnsitive.
 
If unemployment gets high enough, I think a lot more people (here in the US) will endorse single payer. Already so many people have much less financial security than retirees, and have such a burden to stay insured.
 
Because the election system is rigged agianst 3rd party candidates. If a third-party candidate would emerge they would end up splitting one of the other two parties that closely aligns to the third party and spoil the other party’s chances of getting elected .Thus ensuring the opposing party victory.

For example:
During the 2016 election the Libertarian party would be considered a third party and the spoiler party towards the Republicans. Because both parties are ideologically similar they end up stealing votes from one another splitting the voter base. In some people’s Ideal World, a split between the libertarian party and the Republican Party would have ensured someone like Hillary Clinton the presidency.

Smart voters know this. Hence why any third-party candidate never really gets any traction here in America. The only way a proper third party can ever hold any sort of power would require nothing short of complete election reform. The self-interest of Congress would never allow it.
 
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Who can then charge you what they like to cure you of whatever ails you. Without having to ‘kowtow to socialist nonsense’. If you can afford it, then at least you’re ok.
I’m sorry but that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how markets work.
Correct. If “who can then charge you” were entirely free to charge whatever they wanted because food, like health is a necessary commodity, then I suppose food producers would be gouging the heck out of human beings because without food we would die.

That isn’t what happens, however. Foods in great quantity, variety and abundance are widely available in free market economies. Producers necessarily adjust to what the market will bear and support. If they charge too much it won’t be purchased. Competitors will come on stream and supply products at cheaper prices because they innovate and streamline production. Competitors also bring into markets new products from other countries which have saturated their markets.

People will die without food. The fact that it is such a needed commodity ensures a reliable market and mitigated risks to innovating and undercutting competitors. The markets correct pricing, because suppliers cannot charge more than the markets will bear. You can try to charge $10 for an apple, but you will be left with a rotting mess. The same would happen with health care. The need would be balanced by the supply, not by a central ministry in the government.

If someone thinks “socialist nonsense” is nonsense, then they may wish to explain why the food supply in Venezuela is such as it is. Last I heard, the zoos have been cleared of edible meats.

It is there in Venezuela that the mantra, “If you can afford it, then at least you’re ok,” is fully on display. In Venezuela it is the 10% affiliated with the socialist regime that “can afford it.” The rest of the population cannot.

You are correct, there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the markets work in play here. It is the socialists who claim they can “cure you of whatever ails you.”

My basic question is whether crony capitalism or crony socialism would be the worst option. Given that in socialism the state controls all, having a “crony” elite class merely means those with wealth know exactly who to pay to have everything go their way.

We live in a fallen world. Centralization of power, especially in an age where technology enables massive social influence and control, is a huge mistake. Mitigation of hegemony is only possible by distributing the power of governance as widely as possible so actual control cannot become focused to a few individuals or one politburo.
 
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