Commissioner Keith Towler: Smacking 'doesn't work'

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Gift_from_God said:
That’s right. You know why? His dad did and he’s still angry about it decades later. Hitting is intimidation and not positive
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Sounds like a personal problem to me. Either he got it and didn’t deserve it, or he deserved it and couldn’t handle it. Either way, none of my business, spanking a child who has done nothing wrong is abuse, that we can agree on. Spanking a child whose stepped out of line, may well deserve a punishment that makes them stop and think about what they did.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Sounds like a personal problem to me. Either he got it and didn’t deserve it, or he deserved it and couldn’t handle it.
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Don’t you go after my father like that. He is one of the strongest and greatest people I know and I’m proud to call myself his son. Very little makes me angry, but you have made me extremely angry now.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Sounds like a personal problem to me. Either he got it and didn’t deserve it, or he deserved it and couldn’t handle it. Either way, none of my business, spanking a child who has done nothing wrong is abuse, that we can agree on. Spanking a child whose stepped out of line, may well deserve a punishment that makes them stop and think about what they did.
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corporal punishment is not a way to solve problems for a child.
 
Gift_from_God said:
Don’t you go after my father like that. He is one of the strongest and greatest people I know and I’m proud to call myself his son. Very little makes me angry, but you have made me extremely angry now.
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Don’t call me a child abuser.

Your brought your father into the discussion, you leave him out of it if you do not want it discussed.

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Wow, guys! You are all really missing so much. Of course it works. That’s how it wound up in the Bible. It works, but it works short term. The long term effects are a b----. That’s why it’s not in the New Testament. That’s why there’s such a big difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament. I wish you could have asked my dad before he passed on. He must have started to catch on towards the end there. Neither myself, my ex-brother, or ex-sister miss him in the least. I don’t think God wanted to ultimately have any of us feel that way about Him. That was why Christ showed to us a different side to God, where we are not struck down immediately, like the tree that did not bear fruit, but rather, God works with us, digs around and manures us.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
I suppose. We live in different regions. 🤷🙂
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We could draw anecdotal comparisons all day I reckon. I do know that I was spanked, when I did step way out of line, and I came out alright. When I moved to Richmond, VA not long after high school my jaw hit the floor when I picked up the local paper and read that the graduating class that year had done thousands of dollars worth of damage to the school just before graduation. I’m 33 years old and if I’d been involved with something that stupid my dad would still be spanking me for it. Now, I’m not going to pretend that we didn’t get a little unruly around here, we did…many many times. But it was pretty small scale and if we got caught most of us knew full well the consequences.

My 11 year old has been spanked by me once I think. He’s a very well behaved child who was recently tested and found to be reading on a High School level. My 3 year old, he’s a tad bit more feistier then my oldest, and has on a couple of occasions needed a swift smack on the behind and some time on his bed. Now, my daughter is almost 1 and if spanking my 3 year old nearly brings me to tears I doubt I will ever spank her. And she seems to be heading toward being even more mischievous than either of my boys. She is truly worrying me…I’m getting gray hairs and I think they have her name all over them.
 
I am a social worker and mandated reporter (and a father of a periodically unruly 2 and-a- half year old) so I have a vested interest in this issue.

Simple light spanking like I assume posters are presenting here is not child abuse in the eyes of the state. I personally feel that spanking is ill-advised and that there are better ways to elicit desired behavior in kids and research shows this to be so. One negative effect of spanking that has been empirically shown is an increase in aggressiveness in children who are spanked versus those who are not.

At the same time many good parents make use of periodic corporal punishment and the state shouldn’t go in the direction of making all corporal punishment illegal.
 
CatholicBoy1957 said:
Wow, guys! You are all really missing so much. Of course it works. That’s how it wound up in the Bible. It works, but it works short term. The long term effects are a b----. That’s why it’s not in the New Testament. That’s why there’s such a big difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament. I wish you could have asked my dad before he passed on. He must have started to catch on towards the end there. Neither myself, my ex-brother, or ex-sister miss him in the least. I don’t think God wanted to ultimately have any of us feel that way about Him. That was why Christ showed to us a different side to God, where we are not struck down immediately, like the tree that did not bear fruit, but rather, God works with us, digs around and manures us.
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And if you don’t straighten up, he throws you into a pit of fire to burn for all eternity.

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bbarrick8383 said:
We could draw anecdotal comparisons all day I reckon. I do know that I was spanked, when I did step way out of line, and I came out alright. When I moved to Richmond, VA not long after high school my jaw hit the floor when I picked up the local paper and read that the graduating class that year had done thousands of dollars worth of damage to the school just before graduation. I’m 33 years old and if I’d been involved with something that stupid my dad would still be spanking me for it. Now, I’m not going to pretend that we didn’t get a little unruly around here, we did…many many times. But it was pretty small scale and if we got caught most of us knew full well the consequences.

My 11 year old has been spanked by me once I think. He’s a very well behaved child who was recently tested and found to be reading on a High School level. My 3 year old, he’s a tad bit more feistier then my oldest, and has on a couple of occasions needed a swift smack on the behind and some time on his bed. Now, my daughter is almost 1 and if spanking my 3 year old nearly brings me to tears I doubt I will ever spank her. And she seems to be heading toward being even more mischievous than either of my boys. She is truly worrying me…I’m getting gray hairs and I think they have her name all over them.
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WOW you are 33! I pictured you as 60! I grew up in Richmond. Not a bad town but I’m happy I’m outta’ there. 🙂
 
ringil said:
WOW you are 33! I pictured you as 60! I grew up in Richmond. Not a bad town but I’m happy I’m outta’ there. 🙂
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LOL, thanks I think.

No, I’m still a young buck.

I couldn’t wait to leave Richmond either, I was that kid who had to get out of the small town into the big city. Then came back and realized just how beautiful this boring old place really is.

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BTW, I have some pictures on my profile of myself and my son I believe when he was younger and some of the local scenery.
 
ringil said:
I am a social worker and mandated reporter (and a father of a periodically unruly 2 and-a- half year old) so I have a vested interest in this issue.

Simple light spanking like I assume posters are presenting here is not child abuse in the eyes of the state. I personally feel that spanking is ill-advised and that there are better ways to elicit desired behavior in kids and research shows this to be so. One negative effect of spanking that has been empirically shown is an increase in aggressiveness in children who are spanked versus those who are not.

At the same time many good parents make use of periodic corporal punishment and the state shouldn’t go in the direction of making all corporal punishment illegal.
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👍
 
Gift_from_God said:
Hitting a child is abuse. It’s inexcusable
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Spanking a child is not abuse, or virtually every child in the history of Western civilization until 40 years ago was abused, and many children in non-Western civilizations. And it seems that almost all still are, given the prevalence of it. Now, knocking a child in the face with a fist is child abuse; but spanking, as it is widely understood, is not.
 
Kaninchen said:
Anecdotally, anyway.
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Saying it makes the parent feel better is not anecdotal:rolleyes:? In matters like this, one can only speak for themselves. It does make me as a parent feel far worse any time I punish. You have a different take on this I guess.
 
Gift_from_God said:
Hitting a child is abuse. It’s inexcusable
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Comments like this are why I have my sig line. Come on. Is it really that difficult to know the difference between opinion and fact? Equating spanking with abuse is a dangerous path that will water down the meaning of abuse and increase the danger to those children who are really abused. What sends chills up my spine is the idea that children need government protection from being spanked by their parents. Towler is saying that the government now needs to be the primary decision maker in parenting. It is an ungodly and antithetical to all the Church teaches.
 
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