Common Sense Alcohol Reform

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It’s hard to compare the US and the UK strictly due to population size and area.

You also have a strong segment of the population that would flip their lids if the same kind of gun control that the UK has was passed here.

My mothers British, I’ve got a lot of family over there in Manchester. A relative of mine through marriage was murdered in a very high profile incident, I wouldn’t want to live there.
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My husband recently went home to Southampton for a funeral and was appalled at the state of where he grew up. He’s pretty much done with the UK. I am sorry to hear about your relative.
 
Yep, Australia is not the US. Finding any sort of accurate comparison is difficult, too many factors to take into account, which is why no one can say it is in any way proven that stricter regulation would necessarily bring fewer deaths. But there are some parallels between the Australian and American situations, and they are now getting on for 20 years into their new legislative scenario, which is why I say we should keep an eye on how things go there.
 
That’s fair - but banning guns in this country is not the answer. It’s in the Constitution, it’s in the Bill of Rights. I am not a gun nut, but I think Chicago and Maryland and LA and a few other places where gun laws are far more restrictive are proof that that’s not the answer.

Plus, have you looked up how many weapons you’re talking about? What would we do with them?
 
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Chicago and Maryland and LA and a few other places where gun laws are far more restrictive are proof that that’s not the answer.
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One thing I’ll agree with the gun grabbers on is that this doesn’t really prove much when they go drive an hour in any direction and buy whatever. But even if you manage to get a blanket ban on guns in the US, there’s a southern border that’s pretty notorious for bringing in illegal things. Ironically the same people that want to ban guns want the border left open :man_shrugging:t2:
 
Oh, melt the flipping things down! 🙂

Believe me, I’m alive to the difficulties. I understand at least theoretically the emotions involved, and the culture and the history and the practicalities. And it’s in the Constitution. On the other hand, so was Prohibition.
 
It’s not a yours thing. It’s a societal thing. You or I can suffer the same fate of an abused right just as easy as someone else’s.

Our rights come with an inherent risk against our lives. It’s not your rights vs my life.

People can abuse all sorts of rights and cause harm, but if we tried taking them all away to make the world safer we’d end up living in a prison.
 
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If we are not prepared to pool some of our rights there is no “societal thing”.
 
Our rights are pooled.

We all have the right to bear arms/self defense.

We all have freedom of speech.

We all have the right to a trial by jury.

No one has any rights that someone else doesn’t.
 
And in all those cases your individual rights are limited by societal decisions.
 
I’ve not disputed that?

But as it stands, our society has stated legally that we’re allowed access to firearms. If that is to change they need to pass an amendment. Which isn’t likely.
 
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:anguished:Second Amendment Repeal? NOPE
 
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Yep. And looked what happened with Prohibition.

Al Capone. Machine Gun Kelly. Babyface Nelson. The Mafia. Rise of organized crime.

Really? Not the best comparison for the anti-gun argument.
 
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You’ve just made my point.

They BANNED alcohol. Crime went haywire. They overturned the ban. Crime went away.

You’re missing a key point here.
 
Fair point. Also fair is to point out that because something is in the Constitution doesn’t mean it should stay there.

But who am I? It’s not my Constitution.
 
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