Communion in the hand...END IT!

[ProVobis]

BUT, the flu takes 24 hours before one knows one has it, right?

That’s why you need to wash your hands a lot and minimize contact at all times. Heck, we don’t even shake hands at the OF I attend any more.

But if we really wanted to eliminate all risk of contacting a disease from communion, it seems as if the sensical thing would be to have a dispenser with a light sensor (like they have in the bathrooms) distributing it, no? Yes, I’m being sarcastic.

 

[ProVobis]

I got a newsflash for ya … NONE of us are worthy INCLUDING the priests and deacons – my parish priest told me so.

At least we agree on something.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Here are a few profound questions surounding this practice.

1. Are 100% of EMC’s among the ONLY “10%” of Catholics who go to Confesion at least once per year?

I don’t know. Are they? When I became an EMHC, I went from going to confession monthly, to going weekly and sometimes semi-weekly because I wanted to ensure that I was as free of sin as possible when I approached Our Lord and distributed Him to others. I went to confession every Saturday for Sunday and if I had to visit the sick during the week, I made it a point to wake up early that day and drive to the Cathedral because they were the only ones that had daily confession. Now that I am no longer active as an EMHC, I continue to go to confession weekly. So, serving as an EMHC actually brought me closer to confession.

1. The use of EMC’s" was granted AFTER it had already become mandated practice. I recall an Instruction on the matter from His Holiness John Paul II, somewhere in the 80’s I think that specifically explained that “Extrodinary MUST MEAN PRECISELY THAT!” ertainly everyday, in nearly every church at every Mas is anything BUT Extrodinary." and yet Bishops and priest continue to simply ignore this fact and look the othr way. WHY?

Who is better qualified to judge whether or not EMHCs are being misused? The priests and bishops who have training and experience in these areas or the people sitting in the pews who have no training and experience in these areas?

1. Why in daily mass are there mutiple EMC’s when so few people are in attendance?

Does the shepard answer to the sheep?

There is MUCH more han meets the eye in the continued promotion of this practice.

Such as people questioning and challenging the priests and bishops who have been placed in authority over them and whom the bible commands us to obey in matters of the faith.

1. ALL of the Church laws regarding EMC’s list 1. priest, 2. deacon or 3. ACOLYTE as the people being used BEFORE OTHERS. When is the last time you saw an “Acylote?” if EVER? Could this be because they too are male genger? And what if anything is that telling us?

I don’t know. What?

 

[adstrinity]

That’s why you need to wash your hands a lot and minimize contact at all times. Heck, we don’t even shake hands at the OF I attend any more.

But if we really wanted to eliminate all risk of contacting a disease from communion, it seems as if the sensical thing would be to have a dispenser with a light sensor (like they have in the bathrooms) distributing it, no? Yes, I’m being sarcastic.

Funny you mention that. The same priest, in another segment, on another day, also liked the Holy Water Font with sensor (because it lessened the germs).

Link to what I’m on about: telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6547936/Holy-water-dispenser-combats-spread-of-swine-flu.html

 

[ProVobis]

I don’t know. Are they? When I became an EMHC, I went from going to confession monthly, to going weekly and sometimes semi-weekly because I wanted to ensure that I was as free of sin as possible when I approached Our Lord and distributed Him to others.

It was like that when serving at the TLM. Since the altar boys are usually the first ones to receive, they’d stand out like sore thumbs if they don’t receive. Thus the need for confession more.

 

[Layman]

Let me see if I have this straight. Receiving a Church SACRAMENT in a manner that is APPROVED by the Church, leads to a falling away from the faith? Doesn’t the Church teach that receiving a Church SACRAMENT in a manner that is APPROVED by the Church bring graces to the receiver?

I don’t think it’s approved. More like tolerated. It’s an indult; a special permission. I’ve yet to hear a reasonable argument for changing a Roman Catholic diocese over to this practice, from COTT, kneeling, from a priest.

I perceive a weird dumbing-down, populism and informality in our principal rite over the past 40 years. It’s The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass , BUT now with guitar, drums and Mrs. Goodlady handing out the hosts. Very odd.

I have a notion some aged prelates are gonna wake up in a sweat some fevered night and realise they’ve made a horrible mistake. If they’re lucky.

 

[Malkin71]

I don’t know. Are they? When I became an EMHC, I went from going to confession monthly, to going weekly and sometimes semi-weekly because I wanted to ensure that I was as free of sin as possible when I approached Our Lord and distributed Him to others. I went to confession every Saturday for Sunday and if I had to visit the sick during the week, I made it a point to wake up early that day and drive to the Cathedral because they were the only ones that had daily confession. Now that I am no longer active as an EMHC, I continue to go to confession weekly. So, serving as an EMHC actually brought me closer to confession.

Who is better qualified to judge whether or not EMHCs are being misused? The priests and bishops who have training and experience in these areas or the people sitting in the pews who have no training and experience in these areas?

The Ruberics say otherwise. “A Priest May call upon EMHC"S”. This does not mean they have to be used! The overuse of EMHC’s lead to “Bluring” of the roles of the “Ordinary Minister” The Priest and EMHC.

 

[whatischarity]

At least we agree on something.

We should be able to agree on more. We should be able to agree that neither the hands nor tongue are worthy and Jesus only cares about the heart.

 

[whatischarity]

I have a notion some aged prelates are gonna wake up in a sweat some fevered night and realise they’ve made a horrible mistake. If they’re lucky.

I too have a dream. In my dream, Jesus is very happy that his sheep have stopped fretting about incidentals and concentrate on what is important. He gives us this great sacrament and we argue about whether it is our hands or tongues that are most proper to receive Him. In my dream more parishes have weekly benediction and parishoners attend.

 

[tweetymom]

We should be able to agree on more. We should be able to agree that neither the hands nor tongue are worthy and Jesus only cares about the heart.

Amen

 

[Sir_Knight]

I don’t think it’s approved. More like tolerated. It’s an indult; a special permission. I’ve yet to hear a reasonable argument for changing a Roman Catholic diocese over to this practice, from COTT, kneeling, from a priest.

It IS approved VIA “an indult; a special permission”. If it wasn’t, priests wouldn’t be doing it. Thus, it IS done with the APPROVAL of the Church and therefore, it should bring graces upon the faithful. To argue that it drives people away from the faith, is to imply that God’s graces drive people away from the faith.

 

[ProVobis]

I too have a dream. In my dream, Jesus is very happy that his sheep have stopped fretting about incidentals and concentrate on what is important.

Well, that would have happened had everyone just obeyed the old Church custom of receiving on the tongue. But no, some were out to break all old customs, even by defying the sin of sacrilege, in order to get their way. Apparently that was more important to them than Whom they were receiving.

 

[michaeldaniels]

Well then clearly you must believe in The Pope, The Church’s power to forgive sins, the Hail Mary, etc…because all of that is found in The Bible

Well I do!

 

[paperwight]

Mal : Because it is the REAL Presence - it IS about how you recieve it. Have you ever been to an Ordination under the Latin Rites? The Priests hands are Blessed by the SACRAMENT of HOLY ORDERS. Are yours?
/QUOTE]

Are a Deacon’s hands blessed by the Sacrament of Holy Orders? If not, are you saying that not even a Deacon, Permanent or otherwise, can distribute Holy Communion, only a priest?

I understood that the anointing of a priest’s hands is to enable him to confect the Blessed Sacrament. Distribution is another matter.

 

[ProVobis]

To argue that it drives people away from the faith, is to imply that God’s graces drive people away from the faith.

Communion in the hand is completely banned by the Church in many places. How can those people derive the same graces you do? Is God discriminating with His graces?

 

[ProVobis]

Are a Deacon’s hands blessed by the Sacrament of Holy Orders?

I believe they are.

And the only deacon whom I receive from wears a humeral veil when carrying the ciborium. How about you?

 

[michaeldaniels]

This is what Aquinas had to say about CITH…

“Because out of reverence towards this sacrament, nothing touches it, but what is consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest’s hands, for touching this sacrament.” - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III, Q. 82, Art. 13

 

[DanteAlighieri]

On November 1st, 1997, at the Call to Holiness Conference in Detroit, Michigan, there was a panel discussion in which Fr. John Hardon was one of the speakers who fielded various questions from the audience. One of the questions was about Communion in the hand. The following is the response of Fr. Hardon:

"We were at concelebrated Mass with the Holy Father, [saying Mass WITH / at the same time] and we were absolutely forbidden to give Communion in the hands. Communion in the hand, Communion in the hand began, in the hand, with the publication of the Dutch Catechism with nobody’s permission except the bishops—in effect, in principle separated themselves from the Holy See. One country after another began then to ask for permission, which the Dutch bishops never asked for, permission to receive Communion in the hand. I was asked by the bishops’ conference to write a defense of Communion on the tongue, and I can again talk for hours.

“In the very, very early Church, Communion was given in the hands. However, as the faith of the Christians weakened in the Real Presence, by the 5th, 6th centuries Communion on the tongue became mandatory—remained mandatory until the present century. Behind Communion in the hand—I wish to repeat and make as plain as I can—is a weakening, a conscious, deliberate weakening of faith in the Real Presence.”

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Love and prayers that this practice be abolished.

More than any orther single reason; this practice is the cause of mass defections from the CC based essentially on the lack of belief and understanding of Christ Real Presense. I am also of the opinion that this is a primary cause for fewer vocations to the priesthood and fewer people going to Confession. [If anyone can give commuion, priest are not necessary for Confession. I’ll just go directly to God.]

**PEW Report 2008 **

1970 about 75% of self professed Catholics went to weekly Sunday an Holyday Mass
2008 this number had dropped to less than 25%

1970 same group on Confession about 65% went at least once per year
2008 This number has dropped to about 10%!

In CIH the only reason? Certainly NOT. Is it a primary reason? Absolutely!

Your statistics do not show a causal relationship. Simply because B happens after A does not imply that B is caused by A.

I, personally, feel a great deal more reverence when I receive the Eucharist in the hand than when I stick my tongue out. Plus, as Fr. Serpa (I believe) pointed out in the AAA forum, there is nothing more or less holy about the tongue as compared to the hand; why is his opinion on the matter less valid than that of Fr. Hardon?

 

[DanteAlighieri]

On November 1st, 1997, at the Call to Holiness Conference in Detroit, Michigan, there was a panel discussion in which Fr. John Hardon was one of the speakers who fielded various questions from the audience. One of the questions was about Communion in the hand. The following is the response of Fr. Hardon:

"We were at concelebrated Mass with the Holy Father, [saying Mass WITH / at the same time] and we were absolutely forbidden to give Communion in the hands. Communion in the hand, Communion in the hand began, in the hand, with the publication of the Dutch Catechism with nobody’s permission except the bishops—in effect, in principle separated themselves from the Holy See. One country after another began then to ask for permission, which the Dutch bishops never asked for, permission to receive Communion in the hand. I was asked by the bishops’ conference to write a defense of Communion on the tongue, and I can again talk for hours.

“In the very, very early Church, Communion was given in the hands. However, as the faith of the Christians weakened in the Real Presence, by the 5th, 6th centuries Communion on the tongue became mandatory—remained mandatory until the present century. Behind Communion in the hand—I wish to repeat and make as plain as I can—is a weakening, a conscious, deliberate weakening of faith in the Real Presence.”

www.apologeticsguidebook.com

Love and prayers that this practice be abolished.

More than any orther single reason; this practice is the cause of mass defections from the CC based essentially on the lack of belief and understanding of Christ Real Presense. I am also of the opinion that this is a primary cause for fewer vocations to the priesthood and fewer people going to Confession. [If anyone can give commuion, priest are not necessary for Confession. I’ll just go directly to God.]

**PEW Report 2008 **

1970 about 75% of self professed Catholics went to weekly Sunday an Holyday Mass
2008 this number had dropped to less than 25%

1970 same group on Confession about 65% went at least once per year
2008 This number has dropped to about 10%!

In CIH the only reason? Certainly NOT. Is it a primary reason? Absolutely!

Your statistics do not show a causal relationship. Simply because B happens after A does not imply that B is caused by A.

I, personally, feel a great deal more reverence when I receive the Eucharist in the hand than when I stick my tongue out. Plus, as Fr. Serpa (I believe) pointed out in the AAA forum, there is nothing more or less holy about the tongue as compared to the hand; why is his opinion on the matter less valid than that of Fr. Hardon?

Peace,
Dante

 

[Mattapoisett64]

I believe they are.

And the only deacon whom I receive from wears a humeral veil when carrying the ciborium. How about you?

A deacon’s hands are not anointed or consecrated in the diaconal ordination rite. He is, however, an ordinary minister of Holy Communion by virtue of his ordination.