That is not correct! CITH is not allowed by the particular Bishop in his own jurisdiction. It is his prerogative to allow it.Communion in the hand is completely banned by the Church in many places. How can those people derive the same graces you do? Is God discriminating with His graces?
I really support COTT and that is my preferred way to receive; however your showmanship of piety in these posts does not appear to be righteous. It gives the impression of an holier than thou attitude, and it does not convene the sense of charity and clarity that we need to use to counsel our brothers in Christ. I am not saying that you are not pious I do not know you, it just does not come out that way in your posts.I believe they are.
And the only deacon whom I receive from wears a humeral veil when carrying the ciborium. How about you?
And in other places it is completely allowed. How can people NOT derive the same graces from something which is permitted for them?Communion in the hand is completely banned by the Church in many places. How can those people derive the same graces you do?
Well, it is not banned in Rome. i just watched hundreds of people receiving CITH from Priests and Deacons. Pope Benedict did not look particularly pained. He didn’t look like he was “just tolerating” the practice.Communion in the hand is completely banned by the Church in many places. How can those people derive the same graces you do? Is God discriminating with His graces?
Well, it is not banned in Rome. i just watched hundreds of people receiving CITH from Priests and Deacons. Pope Benedict did not look particularly pained. He didn’t look like he was “just tolerating” the practice.
True, those who received from him, did receive on the tongue. But, he is the Head Honcho, so he could put an end to the practice of CITH at any time, if he so desired.
So, until and if he does that, you are very wrong to imply that people do not derive the same graces.
The difference being, that the Pope has the charism of the Holy Spirit to determine if a certain action is indeed an abuse.Just because Rome or the Pope hasn’t made a statement or ruling against a particular abuse or a particular heretic or a particular group of heretics (for whatever reason there may be, i.e. fear of upsetting the masses, etc.), doesn’t mean that it still isn’t an abuse…as a matter of fact indifference to it is much graver than the actual problem…and that is why one can reasonably get upset with Rome sometimes, because they are indifferent to a lot of problems in The Church today…unless it something dealing with more conservative or traditionalists people and/or groups…then the de facto response is “excommunicate them, and you can not have any interactions with them or you formally participating and supporting schism” Then in the same breathe we are led to believe ecumenism with the protestants and the real schismatics is something we should strive for…why not go to a Baptist Church on Sunday…it is ecumenism…go receive sacraments in the Orthodox Church…no big deal.
You can quote from now till doomsday, doesn’t matter.A deacon’s hands are not anointed or consecrated in the diaconal ordination rite. He is, however, an ordinary minister of Holy Communion by virtue of his ordination.
Mal : Precisely and it is one of the Last of the Rites of the Diaconate prior to becoming a Priest.
Excerpt from Dietrich von Hildebrand :
There can be no doubt that Communion in the hand is an expression of the trend towards desacralization in the Church in general and irreverence in approaching the Eucharist in particular. The ineffable mystery of the bodily presence of Christ in the consecrated host calls for a deeply reverent attitude. (To take the Body of Christ in our unanointed hands—just as if it were a mere piece of bread is something in itself deeply irreverent and detrimental for our faith.) Dealing with this unfathomable mystery as if we were merely dealing with nothing but another piece of bread, something we naturally do every day with mere bread, makes the act of faith in the real bodily presence of Christ more difficult. Such behavior toward the consecrated host slowly corrodes our faith in the bodily presence and fosters the idea that it is only a symbol of Christ. To claim that taking the bread in our hands increases the sense of the reality of the bread is an absurd argument. The reality of the bread is not what matters—that is also visible for any atheist. But the fact that the host is in reality the Body of Christ—the fact that transubstantiation has taken place—this is the theme which must be stressed.
Arguments for Communion in the hand based upon the fact that this practice can be found among the early Christians is not really valid. They overlook the dangers and the inadequacy of re-introducing the practice today. Pope Pius XII spoke in very clear and unmistakable terms against the idea that one could re-introduce today customs from the times of the catacombs. Certainly we should try to renew in the souls of Catholics today the spirit, fervor, and heroic devotion found in the faith of the early Christians and the many martyrs from among their ranks. But simply adopting their customs is something else again; customs can assume a completely new function today, and we cannot and should not simply try to re-introduce them.
In the days of the catacombs the danger of desacralization and irreverence which threatens today was not present. The contrast between the saeculum [secular] and the holy Church was constantly in the minds of Christians. Thus a custom which was not danger in those times can constitute a grave pastoral danger in our day.
Consider how St. Francis regarded the extraordinary dignity of the priest which consists exactly in the fact that he is allowed to touch the Body of Christ with his anointed hands. St. Francis said: “If I were to meet at the same time a saint from heaven and a poor priest, I would first show my respect to the priest and quickly kiss his hand, and then I would say: ‘O wait, St. Lawrence, for the hands of this man touch the Word of Life and possess a good far surpasses everything that is human.’”
Someone may say: but did not St. Tarcisius distribute Communion though he was no priest? Surely no one was scandalized because he touched the consecrated host with his hands. And in an emergency, a layman is today allowed to give Communion to others.
But this exception for emergency cases is not something which implies a lack of respect for the holy Body of Christ. It is a privilege justified by emergency—which should be accepted with trembling heart (and should remain a privilege, reserved only for an emergency).
The difference being, that the Pope has the charism of the Holy Spirit to determine if a certain action is indeed an abuse.
You don’t.
He is not a wimp. He has upset plenty of people.
A deacon’s hands are not anointed or consecrated in the diaconal ordination rite. He is, however, an ordinary minister of Holy Communion by virtue of his ordination.
Mal : Precisely and it is one of the Last of the Rites of the Diaconate prior to becoming a Priest. QUOTE
I raised the question about a Deacon’s hands not being anointed as are a priest’s, to point out the error in emphasising that only a priest’s anointed hands can touch the Blessed Sacrament. Clearly, a Deacon’s hands can, even if not so anointed.
Your second point overlooks the fact that a Permanent Deacon stays just as that - a Permanent Deacon. He is, however, just as much a Deacon as is someone preparing to be a priest.
You can quote from now till doomsday, doesn’t matter.
At this time, Pope BenedictXVI is the Supreme Pontiff. For faithful Catholics, his words and those of the Magisterium are the final determinate.
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Who said anything about the charism of papal infallibility?You have no idea for the charism of papal infallibility means…I can tell by your attitude, I will end up becoming uncharitable trying to explain it to you and I do not want to do that on Ash Wednesday.
I have seen your type also. It is called “more Catholic than the Pope”.I have seen your type, you want to prove just how Catholic you are, so you blindly accept everything that comes out of Rome as The Gospel…
Who said anything about the charism of papal infallibility?
I did not.
Don’t you think the Holy Spirit gives the Pope special graces to guide the church?
You may be uncharitable, if you choose. I welcome it on this Ash Wednesday as a special penance for being a “papist”.
I have seen your type also. It is called “more Catholic than the Pope”.
Just because the Church sanctions a practice does not mean that it is good. Witness the loss of reverence for the Blessed Sacrament. This is a direct result of communion in the hand. I know. I lived through it. And if you happen to go to a parish that this isn’t so, for every parish like yours there are dozens that aren’t. I have witnessed sacrileges in the local parish Church here that have made me sick for days.