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worldcitizen
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I posted it a long time ago. The entire chapter I think.
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MartinJordan
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God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life"
So you have a problem.
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Servant19
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No my dear friend. The Son is not ONLY Jesus.
The Son existed before Jesus, during Jesus and after Jesus and was manifested in the world as Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah.
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Techno2000
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The problem is… that was alway the case with man, nothing new, even before Jesus came along man was materialistic .
If therefore they will say to you, “Behold, Materialism is in the desert”, you should not go out, or “Behold, Materialism is in an inner room”, do not believe it.
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Well I must therefore ask what exactly are you looking for that is relevant for you to consider Baha’u’llah’s station?
Where in the Old Testament does it say that Jesus is the Messiah?
Where in the Old Testament does it state that Elijah will not return bodily but in “spirit and power” ?
This is what I mean Eric. The seeming inconsistencies of God exist from the dawn of religion, but somehow it is “relevant” for Christianity to explain things the way it chooses to, going against Jewish interpretation and yet it is “irrelevant” for the Baha’i religion to explain things it chooses to.
Go figure…
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Oh that one is referring to the different sects of Christianity because they are all saying 'here is Christ, or there is Christ and that is wrong because when Christ returns He will be known by a ‘new name’ so anyone saying "here is Christ ’ is a false teacher, prophet or messiah because Christ will be known when He rerurns not as Christ but as Baha’u’llah. (The glory of God shall come not Christ)
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So Jesus Christ is warning people that in the future his name will be Baha’u’llah, and if Christians start saying …here is Christ or there is Christ…they are the ones who are the… false teachers, prophets and messiahs… is that correct ?
"Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him."For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. "Behold, I have told you in advance.
Matthew 24:24
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So the fulfillment of Catholicism now says it can’t tell me where the soul goes after death.
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TonyBS
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It can very much so, these links will help.So the fulfillment of Catholicism now says it can’t tell me where the soul goes after death.
bahai.org/beliefs/life-spirit/human-soul/life-death
reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-153.html
The life of the individual begins at conception, when the soul associates itself with the embryo. When death occurs, the body returns to the world of dust, while the soul continues to progress in the spiritual worlds of God.
“To consider that after the death of the body the spirit perishes,” ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has said “is like imagining that a bird in a cage will be destroyed if the cage is broken, though the bird has nothing to fear from the destruction of the cage. Our body is like the cage, and the spirit is like the bird…if the cage becomes broken, the bird will continue and exist. Its feelings will be even more powerful, its perceptions greater, and its happiness increased…”
After its association with the body draws to a close, the soul will continue to progress in an eternal journey towards perfection. Bahá’u’lláh wrote, “It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty.”
An illumined soul continues to have an influence on progress in this world and the advancement of its peoples. It acts as “the leaven that leaveneth the world of being, and furnisheth the power through which the arts and wonders of the world are made manifest.”
The world beyond, writes Bahá’u’lláh, “is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother.” Just as the womb provides the environment for a person’s initial physical development, the phenomenal world is the arena within which we develop the spiritual characteristics and capacities that we need for our onward journey. Both here and in the next life, we advance with the assistance of God’s bounty and grace. Also important to the progress of our souls in the next world are the good deeds carried out in our names here on earth, and the sincere prayers of our families and friends.
Seen in this light, death is not to be feared. Bahá’u’lláh refers to it as a “messenger of joy.” He states: “Thou art My dominion and My dominion perisheth not; wherefore fearest thou thy perishing? Thou art My light and My light shall never be extinguished; why dost thou dread extinction? Thou art My glory and My glory fadeth not; thou art My robe and My robe shall never be outworn.”
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TonyBS
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Hell is a condition, remoteness from God. How that condition is manifest in all the worlds of God we can not know.
The Worlds of God have been veiled from us under Gods Wisdom. We are told it can not be fully disclosed to us. Sorry have not time to find a quote.
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Techno2000
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Why do Baha’is always have to go to the Bible to try and justify their religion, why can’t they use the scriptures from their other manifestations ?
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Techno2000
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Too vague as always
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TonyBS
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No David, I ask you if this is correct and you posted some vague writings that didnt explain anything.
So Jesus Christ is warning people that in the future his name will be Baha’u’llah, and if Christians start saying …here is Christ or there is Christ…they are the ones who are the… false teachers, and messiahs… is that correct ?
Say,O followers of the Son!v Have ye shut out yourselves from Me by reason of My Name? Wherefore ponder ye not in your hearts? Day and night ye have beencalling upon your Lord, the Omnipotent, but when He [Bahá’u’lláh] came from the heaven of eternity in His great glory, ye turned aside from him…
Do you see the words…Jesus Christ, Christians , false teachers. prophets messiahs ?
“Ye make mention of Me, and know Me not. Ye call upon Me, and are heedless of My Revelation… O people of the Gospel! They who were not in the Kingdom have now entered it, whilst We behold you, in this day, tarrying at the gate”
Do you see the words…Jesus Christ, Christians , false teachers. prophets messiahs ?
“READ ye the Evangel and yet refuse to acknowledge the All-Glorious Lord? This indeed beseemeth you not”
Do you see the words…Jesus Christ, Christians , false teachers. prophets messiahs ?
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Yes, but do it without using our Bible .Ha HaDo you really want an answer to that
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Techno2000
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If Bahaism is true then the writings from Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam should prove it, because it is all the same Manifestation and God.
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Zoroastrianism Predicts 1844 for its Hushidar Door of Wisdom in terms of the religion of the Arabian, written long before the appearance of Islam:
• When 1,260 years have elapsed from the religion of the Arabian.¼Hushidar will appear and the Iranians will kill him.[10] This decodes as the AD 622–1844 Muslim Era (AH 1–1260), and the Bab as Hushidar or Door of Wisdom
• A thousand two hundred and some years…from the inception of the religion of the Arabian and the overthrow of the kingdom of Iran and the degradation of the followers of My religion, a descendent of the Iranian kings will be raised up as a Prophet.[11] This decodes as 1250 Muslim years from the AD 650 (AH 30) defeat of Persia’s last Zoroastrian king Yazdigird to Baha’u’llah’s AD1863 (AH 1280) proclamation as his descendent
• In three separate Dispensations, the sun must…be brought to a standstill. In the first Dispensation…for ten days; in the second for twice that time; in the third for no less than one whole month. For the Muhammadan Dispensation…each day is reckoned as one century…from the setting of the Star of the Imamate to…the Báb [decoding from the AH 260 or AD873 disappearance of the Twelfth Imam to 1844]. The second Dispensation…inaugurated by the Báb…in the year 1260 A.H.…was brought to a close in the year 1280 A.H [decoding as twice ten days of years]. The third Dispensation—the Revelation proclaimed by Baha’u’llah whose duration hath been fixed for a period of one whole month, which is the maximum time taken by the sun to pass through a sign of the Zodiac [decoding as a whole 2147–year zodiac age].[12]
Hinduism Predicts 1844 for its Kali Avatar
• when the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists…in the character of Brahma¼shall descend upon the earth…born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin…then reestablish righteousness upon earth.…The minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age shall be awakened, and shall be as pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time…shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita age. This decodes for 1844 as when the Kali Budding Era of Hinduism switched to its Krita Golden Era.[13]Approximating to the Cycles of Prophecy and Fulfillment, in 1844 the Long Cycle of Hinduism was ended by its 4,800–year Kali Age, and its Truth Cycle was begun by its Krita Golden Era.
Buddhism Predicts 1844 for its Fifth Buddha
• Before this same auspicious aeon runs to the end of its years…there will be Maitreiya. This aeon decodes as Hinduism’s same Kali Era also used by Buddhism. Maitreiya meaning Kindness fits Baha’u’llah’s given name of Husayn that means Kindness and fits him as a Messenger…full of kindness[14].
** Islam Predicts 1844 for its Qaim Twelfth Imam**, saying:
• Everything will ascend to Him on a Day that will measure a thousand years.[17]This decodes from the AH 260 (AD 873) disappearance of the Twelfth Imam to his AH 1260 (1844) Return as the Bab
• In the year ‘GHARS’ the earth shall be illumined by his light.[18]Abjad numerology decodes this as AH 1260 (1844)
• The year of his Revelation is identical with half of that number which is divisible by nine.[19] This decodes as 2560 (the lowest number divisible by all nine digits), half of which renders as the year AH 1260 (1844).
• Concerning the year in which the Qa’im was to be made manifest…in the year sixty his cause shall be revealed and his name noised abroad.[20]This decodes as AH 1260 (1844)
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MartinJordan
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Wrong.
John 1:
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and** is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
There is no way out of this Servant. The choice is yours to welcome and accept Jesus into your heart. He who is yours and my Creator.
God from God Light from Light.
Remember?:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Therefore the Son existed from the beginning. The Son from through him we call God our Father.
MJ**
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