Complimenting women

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Unfortunately, the second comment might be interpreted nowadays as a microaggression: the latest topic that occupies workshops designed by administrators in academic circles. The last comment is obviously full-fledged aggressive speech.
 
Chris Matthews resigned (not by choice) not merely because of his sexual comments but also because of his comparison of Bernie Sanders’ win in Nevada to Nazi Germany’s takeover of France, as well as his confusion concerning a Black Democratic challenger to Lindsey Graham with a Black Republican. Matthews committed three significant gaffes: against women, Jews, and Blacks, and thus struck out of MSNBC’s line-up.
 
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He was fired for poor job performance. The comments were just a convenient pretext to get rid of a troublesome employee without significant blow back. No company is principled enough to get rid of profitable employees over a minor impropriety. I always see company policy as a bit like the rules in the Matrix, there are rules that can be bent and others that can be broken. You just have to know the difference and be sure to earn enough money to outweigh your negative aspects.
 
Here in the South, men tell women they are pretty and us women are not spineless snotty wimps who get our feelings hurt over it.
The deep South is a culture all its own, where chivalrous gentlemen are not only appreciated but expected.

Then again, there are “good ol’ boys”, which has more than one connotation. In recent times, it stands for groups of corrupt male cronies, but I suspect there was a time when “good ol’ boys” was just a group of harmless, fun-loving fellows.

The deep South is an interesting place. I have lots of cousins down there – warm and easy to talk to.

Just watch out for Water Moccasins …
 
Yea, if you’re going to compliment women and don’t want to come across as a creep “be attractive, don’t be unattractive” covers it pretty well. If you’re ridiculously good looking things that lesser men might get in trouble for will just be cute and quirky.
Don’t be unattractive can be a tad difficult when one falls in the lower half of male attractiveness as I do. In the office and online? Fails, both of them. So I don’t work in offices anymore and I haven’t tried online dating in years. In real life and away from the job? I do ok because I dress well, I dance well and I can let my personality out.
He was fired for poor job performance. The comments were just a convenient pretext to get rid of a troublesome employee without significant blow back. No company is principled enough to get rid of profitable employees over a minor impropriety. I always see company policy as a bit like the rules in the Matrix, there are rules that can be bent and others that can be broken. You just have to know the difference and be sure to earn enough money to outweigh your negative aspects.
I’ve seen it done. The company was principled enough to usher someone out the door even if he was falsely accused. So there is that. Doesn’t happen often; usually it’s a written reprimand that goes into an employee’s HR file. While an employee may be allowed to retain his job as you think, his career advancement is in all likelihood dead regardless of the truth of the accusation.
 
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I’ve seen it done. The company was principled enough to usher someone out the door even if he was falsely accused. So there is that. Doesn’t happen often; usually it’s a written reprimand that goes into an employee’s HR file. While an employee may be allowed to retain his job as you think, his career advancement is in all likelihood dead regardless of the truth of the accusation.
I don’t consider a company “principled” when it fires someone who is falsely accused simply because of the accusation, without bothering to determine if the accusation is even true. That’s guilty until proven innocent, and the accused isn’t even afforded the opportunity of prove innocence, or even granted a fair hearing. A principled company would do the right thing, not just the knee-jerky thing.
 
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I don’t consider a company “principled” when it fires someone who is falsely accused simply because of the accusation, without bothering to determine if the accusation is even true. That’s guilty until proven innocent, and the accused isn’t even afforded the opportunity of prove innocence, or even granted a fair hearing. A principled company would do the right thing, not just the knee-jerky thing.
I agree with you in all respects. But by your definition there are very few “principled” companies. More often it’s a case of back room pressure being put on the accused to resign for the good of the cause. Sometimes this takes the form of letting the accused know he won’t be up for promotion anytime soon. The whole circus is insidious that way.

btw, you quoted me, but you attributed the quote to the poster I replied to. You might want to fix that.
 
Sorry about that – haven’t quite gotten the hang of the quoting, yet. I did try to fix it. Hope it’s right, now.
 
If a man is ignorant, inept or lustful it’s his problem, not mine and I’m not going to get hurt over it.
The women who actually point out that the man is ignorant, inept or lustful (instead of forcing a smile to protect the guy’s ego) are usually labelled as spineless snotty wimps anyways.
 
I don’t compliment women on their appearance except my wife. However, I sometimes compliment women (and men) if they perform an act of kindness or nice gesture.
That seems reasonable. Generally speaking, I don’t understand why someone would comment on the opposite sex’s appearance if they are not flirting or friends already.

The amount of men that appeared and started complaining about how they’re no longer allowed to compliment a random woman’s looks is strange. With the exclusion of the occasional pervert, most men I know generally wouldn’t resort to appearance when complimenting a woman they don’t know.
 
The women who actually point out that the man is ignorant, inept or lustful (instead of forcing a smile to protect the guy’s ego) are usually labelled as spineless snotty wimps anyways.
Possibly. Or they may just be ignorant, inept or lustful themselves.
 
Let me get this straight. A woman puts on makeup in order to look nice and a man tells her she is pretty with makeup on. That’s sort of the point, isn’t it? Mission accomplished. So the woman gets offended because someone tells her she looks good with makeup on when that was the reason for using the makeup in the first place?

This is nothing but middle school maturity.

That makes as much sense as my husband painting the house and then getting offended because someone tells him how nice it looks.
 
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A woman puts on makeup in order to look nice and a man tells her she is pretty with makeup on. That’s sort of the point, isn’t it? Mission accomplished. So the woman gets offended because someone tells her she looks good with makeup on when that was the reason for using the makeup in the first place?
I don’t know if you’re being ignorant on purpose, but the whole point in all of these posts is whether it’s appropriate in that setting or not. Most women don’t put on makeup to impress her male colleagues, but to look presentable or professional.

Also, who says “you look pretty with makeup on” instead of “you are pretty”?

I think most women would be fine with that as long as he goes about it respectfully
 
How about not refusing to speak altogether but refusing to speak in a one on one situation with nobody else present? Lots of males at work no longer want to be alone with a woman in a conference room or office
I doubt the men who work for me would prefer having their job reviews conducted with a witness, but I suppose if they requested one …
 
You look pretty with makeup on is an insult. You look pretty is a compliment but not one for work
 
I always tell my nieces they’re beautiful without makeup. They just roll their eyes. I say it because they usually put on way too much!
 
For me personally - I prefer men don’t give me compliments on my looks, hair, smile, eyes, body, clothing.

I like to get compliments on things I’ve accomplished, my work, my job… but I do not appreciate the compliments on my looks or the blouse I’m wearing.
 
For work, the basic rule of thumb is this: would you compliment another man the same way? If you wouldn’t say, “Hey, Michael, you look really handsome today. That suit is a great color on you!,” then don’t be saying the equivalent to women.
 
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