concerns about freemasonry

[rinnie]

jam070406;8233602:

It isn’t a religion, they don’t have any dogma, it’s a fraternity that does charity work. The individual mason is obligated to put their Church before the fraternity and each mason’s religious beliefs are a matter of their own conscious.

Brian, it is FORBIDDEN by the RCC if you are a Catholic and want to receive the Eucharist you cannot become a Mason. What part of this teaching to you disagree with?

If you are saying you do not agree with the teaching thats okay, You don’t have to. You just have to OBEY.

Now are you saying you do not AGREE with the teaching or the Pope does not teach it?

 

[rinnie]

I think you should really re-consider if you are faithful to the church or not.

According to your logic, just about every bishop and pope has been abusing their position.

I pray for your soul, but maybe its better you leave the church before you poison her anymore with your heretical beliefs.

Satan is alive and trying hard

Oh come on Ezra, don’t say that. If every single person who does not totally understand the teaching’'s of our church should leave then it would be pretty empty do you not agree.

Give our Brother in Christ here a break, lets help him out guys and show him that it IS the teaching of our Church. We are here to HELP one another, not kick one another out of the Church. Lets be kind here.

 

[Brian_H]

Brian H;8233651:

Brian, it is FORBIDDEN by the RCC if you are a Catholic and want to receive the Eucharist you cannot become a Mason. What part of this teaching to you disagree with?

If you are saying you do not agree with the teaching thats okay, You don’t have to. You just have to OBEY.

Now are you saying you do not AGREE with the teaching or the Pope does not teach it?

I’m not a mason, I think masonic membership for Catholics is a gray area because of Canon 1374, and I disagree with the Church’s position to the extent it forbids masonic membership. The Church should forbid membership in Boy Scouts and a host of other non-denominational civic organizations if it wants to be consistent. The historical condemnations from the 18th and 19th century are baseless.

 

[regression]

Give our Brother in Christ here a break, lets help him out guys and show him that it IS the teaching of our Church. We are here to HELP one another, not kick one another out of the Church. Lets be kind here.

I second that. I apologize if I have not been charitable in my posts.

 

[EzraJacob]

Oh come on Ezra, don’t say that. If every single person who does not totally understand the teaching’'s of our church should leave then it would be pretty empty do you not agree.

Give our Brother in Christ here a break, lets help him out guys and show him that it IS the teaching of our Church. We are here to HELP one another, not kick one another out of the Church. Lets be kind here.

Every faithful Catholic has posted what the ruling is. This guy is still speaking against Church, in defiance.

Im sorry. I see no difference with this, then with thous who are for abortion and gay marriage, yet call themselves catholics.

How do we help someone after the someone see all of the rulings, and still does not obey?

 

[Brian_H]

I second that. I apologize if I have not been charitable in my posts.

No apology necessary. There have only been a couple of people that feel they have been given power to excommunicate people, EzraJacob and TrentCath.

 

[rinnie]

Every faithful Catholic has posted what the ruling is. This guy is still speaking against Church, in defiance.

Im sorry. I see no difference with this, then with thous who are for abortion and gay marriage, yet call themselves catholics.

How do we help someone after the someone see all of the rulings, and still does not obey?

Because we can ALL relate to him, because we all have our own sin, and we are all trying our best to help oneanother.

Lets try it Gods way and help show him why the church teaches this, and help him to understand better.

 

[TrentCath]

No apology necessary. There have only been a couple of people that feel they have been given power to excommunicate people, EzraJacob and TrentCath.

Now, Now lets be HONEST here, no one excommunicated you, we merely pointed out what the consequences of your actions were. As for being uncharitable expounding the truth however hurtful is never uncharitable, not when it concerns eternal salvation.

 

[Brian_H]

Every faithful Catholic has posted what the ruling is. This guy is still speaking against Church, in defiance.

Im sorry. I see no difference with this, then with thous who are for abortion and gay marriage, yet call themselves catholics.

How do we help someone after the someone see all of the rulings, and still does not obey?

I’m not a mason, so I’m not violating any rule. I’m pointing out the conflicting statements on masonry in the last 50 years and why condemnations of masonry are baseless.

 

[Brian_H]

Now, Now lets be HONEST here, no one excommunicated you, we merely pointed out what the consequences of your actions were. As for being uncharitable expounding the truth however hurtful is never uncharitable, not when it concerns eternal salvation.

With all due respect, I don’t think you know truth from a slap to the face.

 

[rinnie]

jam070406;8233729:

How is that a response to what I wrote? If that is the case, then the Church should forbid membership in the Boy Scouts.

Here is one reason why Brian, When you enter into the Masons you swear to stand by a Higher being. SEE what I am saying? ANYONE can be your HIGHER being.

The Catholic CHurch teaches we cannot take an oath like that . The other thing I can think of off hand is secrets. The word of God is all must be revealed in the light, not the dark.

I am on my way out but will show you tommorow some more scripture and teachings of the CHurch, For now see what you can find.

 

[EzraJacob]

With all due respect, I don’t think you know truth from a slap to the face.

His truth is repeating what the Church teaches. I guess you have the same attitude towards the Church?

 

[Brian_H]

Brian H;8233733:

Here is one reason why Brian, When you enter into the Masons you swear to stand by a Higher being. SEE what I am saying? ANYONE can be your HIGHER being.

The Catholic CHurch teaches we cannot take an oath like that . The other thing I can think of off hand is secrets. The word of God is all must be revealed in the light, not the dark.

I am on my way out but will show you tommorow some more scripture and teachings of the CHurch, For now see what you can find.

In Freemasonry, there is toleration for others’ beliefs, the common ground is that masons believe in God, they put personal differences aside, and work to make the world a better place. I’m a past GK in KofC, KofC meetings are secret. KofC initiations involve oaths.

 

[EzraJacob]

No apology necessary. There have only been a couple of people that feel they have been given power to excommunicate people, EzraJacob and TrentCath.

That is silly.

Even if someone on here had the power to excommunicate you, they wouldn’t be able to try without knowing you in person.

I just simply ask, if you want to go against everything the Church teaches, then what keeps you a Catholic?

 

[Brian_H]

His truth is repeating what the Church teaches. I guess you have the same attitude towards the Church?

By your logic, if the Pope says sausage pizza is the best and Catholics can only eat sausage pizza, then it is truth, infallible teaching. The Popes’ personal opinions are not infallible and cannot be presented as evidence of truth.

 

[TrentCath]

With all due respect, I don’t think you know truth from a slap to the face.

Lets see, I follow the Church teaching (The Church being ‘the pillar and ground of the truth’) and you follow whatever you want to believe at any given time, we can see which of these positions is more catholic.

 

[rinnie]

rinnie;8233804:

In Freemasonry, there is toleration for others’ beliefs, the common ground is that masons believe in God, they put personal differences aside, and work to make the world a better place. I’m a past GK in KofC, KofC meetings are secret. KofC initiations involve oaths.

Correct and your Oath is to Jesus Christ. It is clear who you are making an oath to. It is Almighty God.

Do you or do you not agree that it is CLEAR who you are making your Oath to? Can you say that in the Masons it is Quite CLEAR and your higher being is indeed God Almighty? I am sure you can see now why this is ONE of the Problems that the Pope has stated.

There is nothing in the meetings of the knights that are not revealed in the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is not a secret organization. IT is quite clear that it is a Organization based on the Catholic faith.

 

[Brian_H]

That is silly.

Even if someone on here had the power to excommunicate you, they wouldn’t be able to try without knowing you in person.

I just simply ask, if you want to go against everything the Church teaches, then what keeps you a Catholic?

I don’t go against everything the Church teaches. The only error I’ve suggested is the Church’s position with respect to membership in a Masonic Lodge. Are people that think like you and TrentCath the only people welcome in a Catholic Church? The Catholic Church isn’t your own little club.

 

[rinnie]

I don’t go against everything the Church teaches. The only error I’ve suggested is the Church’s position with respect to membership in a Masonic Lodge. Are people that think like you and TrentCath the only people welcome in a Catholic Church? The Catholic Church isn’t your own little club.

tommorw Brian I will post the reason the Pope still forbids it and I believe it will become more clear to you. But remember my friend if the Pope teaches it, it is not error. We must obey.

And remember as I stated earlier we don’t have to agree, or really understand as far as that goes. But we must OBEY our Pope. We do not have the Authority to teach, he does. ''He got the KEYS

 

[Brian_H]

Brian H;8233818:

Correct and your Oath is to Jesus Christ. It is clear who you are making an oath to. It is Almighty God.

Do you or do you not agree that it is CLEAR who you are making your Oath to? Can you say that in the Masons it is Quite CLEAR and your higher being is indeed God Almighty? I am sure you can see now why this is ONE of the Problems that the Pope has stated.

There is nothing in the meetings of the knights that are not revealed in the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is not a secret organization. IT is quite clear that it is a Organization based on the Catholic faith.

A Catholic would make an oath on the Bible, the sacred scripture of a Catholic, and the oath would be to their God. There are oaths taken in Boy Scouts that aren’t specifically Christian because Boy Scouts is non-denominational, Jews, Muslims, etc are welcome in Boy Scouts. Freemasonry isn’t a secret organization, their meetings and signs of recognition are secret. A Catholic that isn’t a member of KofC couldn’t sit through the business meeting of a KofC meeting either.