Confronting White Supremacy in El Paso: Naming the Sin

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why aren’t they lobbying congress to change the immigration system?
The Bishops have done precisely that. People on CAF then say that Bishop’s need to stay in their lane and avoid politics.

All of your other questions and objections can be answered by a careful reading of the Bishop’s letter.
 
He is absolutely clear in how he traces the development of white supremacy in American history, and how he links those ideas to the wall.
the wall that obama and the dems completed was built because of white supremacy?
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"In May  2011, then-president Barack  Obama  stated that the  wall  was 
basically complete, with 649  miles  (1,044 km) of 652 planned  miles  of 
barrier  constructed. Of this, vehicle barriers comprised 299  miles  (481 km)
 and pedestrian  fence 350  miles "(wiki)
All of your other questions and objections can be answered by a careful reading of the Bishop’s letter.
the letter gives one opinion and the bishop isn’t here to answer objections that I feel his letter does not answer to my satisfaction.
 
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How does the wall support white supremacy when whites now make up barely 60 percent of the US population and falling quickly.
What if it’s the idea that the passion driving the undocumented immigrant is rooted racial animus, bigotry and resentment? I mean, how can you tell if someone isn’t here legally without noticing their race?
 
the wall that obama and the dems completed was built because of white supremacy?
Maybe they changed their minds and realize it’d be ineffective (also, what if they’re for other forms of border control like motion sensors and drones)?
 
"In May 2011, then-president Barack Obama stated that the wall was basically complete, with 649 miles (1,044 km) of 652 planned miles of barrier constructed. Of this, vehicle barriers comprised 299 miles (481 km) and pedestrian fence 350 miles "(wiki)
The Bishop mentions previous walls in his letter, and yes, they are based on the same ideas of white supremacy. Xenophobia is one of the ways in which it is manifested.
the letter gives one opinion and the bishop isn’t here to answer objections that I feel his letter does not answer to my satisfaction.
You should probably email him then. The letter is not his opinion however. He is a Bishop exercising his teaching authority. It ought to be treated as such.
 
Any Catholic who doesn’t understand that Corpus Christi and El Paso and a host of other cities in Texas, New Mexico, and California, were Catholic and Spanish in their genesis, is out to lunch. White Americans are the Johnny Come Lately here. America has a long history of anti-Catholicism. Sometimes that manifests as prejudice against Latinos… as it did with the Irish in the past.

These were Spanish, Catholic territories… until Anglo Anti-Catholic Protestants entered the picture.
 
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The wall is not rooted in racism. And I for one am tired of being called a racist or supporting racism by people who have a different ideology or political view than I do. Both inside and outside of the Church.
 
The wall is not rooted in racism.
Could you explain how the Bishop is wrong?

I’m open to alternate arguments, but no one has presented any evidence that convinces me the Bishop’s interpretation of history and current discourse is incorrect.
 
What if it’s the idea that the passion driving the undocumented immigrant is rooted racial animus, bigotry and resentment? I mean, how can you tell if someone isn’t here legally without noticing their race?
how can you tell someone is here illegally by looking at them? most people don’t bother.

the problem is, activists are combining racism with illegal immigration. you are racist because you are against illegal immigration. it is an easier sell to label all anti-illegal people as racist. how else can they sell an illegal activity? why would you question anyone in el paso?
Maybe they changed their minds and realize it’d be ineffective (also, what if they’re for other forms of border control like motion sensors and drones)?
or the reason ascribed is wrong.
You should probably email him then. The letter is not his opinion however. He is a Bishop exercising his teaching authority. It ought to be treated as such
Is it a matter of faith and morals?

there is more than one solution to immigration. the wall can be part of the solution.
Any Catholic who doesn’t understand that Corpus Christi and El Paso and a host of other cities in Texas, New Mexico, and California, were Catholic and Spanish in their genesis, is out to lunch. White Americans are the Johnny Come Lately here. America has a long history of anti-Catholicism. Sometimes that manifests as prejudice against Latinos… as it did with the Irish in the past.
but does this equate to the wall is racist?
 
Is it a matter of faith and morals?
Is white supremacy a matter of faith and morals? Yes. Absolutely. How could it not be?

The wall is merely a small portion (although very public) expression of the sin of white supremacy.

The letter is not about the wall, but about the ideas that lie behind it. The ideas that form the basis of the wall are white supremacist ideas, and such, support for the wall is support for white supremacist ideas.
 
The wall is merely a small portion (although very public) expression of the sin of white supremacy.
Part of the problem is the accusation is thrown around so casually it is hard to tell what it means anymore. For example, I am finding out now my support for border wall like the one Mexico has with Guatemala means I support white supremacy. Go figure.

The Bishop knows the history very well. Wonder how well he understands modernity? El Paso and such isn’t Boston or Detroit or North Dakota. People from there see a push on the southern border, caravans carrying foreign flags, and they apparently support white supremacy. With respect to the Bishop, I am not sure the accusation for a huge swath of people from all over the continental US is fair, history or not.
 
explain how one is guilty of the sin of white supremacy
Ummm…really? You can start by reading the Bishop’s letter that is linked in OP. If that isn’t good enough for you, you can look at the USCCB’s page on the matter here: http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/racism/

If even that isn’t good enough, you can look through the works of every Pope since Pius XI. They all condemn various forms of racism (of which white supremacy is one) over, and over, and over again.

White supremacy is a matter of faith and morals because the Bishops say it is. They get to define their area of competency, not the laity.
 
Part of the problem is the accusation is thrown around so casually it is hard to tell what it means anymore.
The Bishop is extremely clear. If you don’t like it, you should present a clear and cogent argument challenging him. As an honest, thoughtful man, I’m sure he would appreciate a reasoned critique.
I am finding out now my support for border wall like the one Mexico has with Guatemala means I support white supremacy. Go figure.
The insidiousness of white supremacy is such that people support it all the time without realizing it. The Christian thing to do is to conform your political views to your religious views. Sometimes that means admitting that your political views might be contrary to the teaching of the Church, and changing them.

For most people, however, that is too hard. They would rather change their religious views to fit their politics.
 
The insidiousness of white supremacy is such that people support it all the time without realizing it. The Christian thing to do is to conform your political views to your religious views. Sometimes that means admitting that your political views might be contrary to the teaching of the Church, and changing them.

For most people, however, that is too hard. They would rather change their religious views to fit their politics.
You kidding me? This is one Bishop. If I never ever saw this article I wouldn’t even consider supporting the building of a wall for border security tied to white supremacy, as there are border walls and fences and barriers all over the world for the same purpose. I am not from that area, have no tie to the history of that area and to infer I am a bad christian because, while I respect his opinion and the seriousness of racism off ALL kinds by ANY ethnicity against ANY ethnicity, I don’t think changing my political views on border security fails one Bishops litmus test.

The Universal Church is global and this one area and its history, while important, does not define the experience of the whole globe.

Curious what else I may be inadvertently doing to support white supremacy?
 
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The insidiousness of white supremacy is such that people support it all the time without realizing it. The Christian thing to do is to conform your political views to your religious views. Sometimes that means admitting that your political views might be contrary to the teaching of the Church, and changing them.

For most people, however, that is too hard. They would rather change their religious views to fit their politics.
I did not recognise the underlying racism in my attitudes until I was fully able to walk in anothers shoes. I mean truly put on the garments of their conditions, situations and history. That came with having a child for me. Even now on a really cold night when I’m snuggled up in bed, I can’t help thinking of all the children in terrible situations that don’t have any comfort at all.

If you walk in the shoes of an immigrant who desperately wants their children not to suffer and live in fear and to have a future to look forward to, you would leave many familiar things and walk a thousand miles to get to that place.

I was born into a secure place with peace and hope of a future, by no innate privilege. Comparing our lot with others lot inspires great gratitude for your lack of struggle, but great empathy for those who didn’t get that blessing at birth.

When you truly walk in anothers shoes and let go of the things that we take for granted like freedom, peace, properity, security… it is impossible not want better for others in principle and action. That is such a strong biblical message. Whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for Me.
 
I did not recognise the underlying racism in my attitudes until I was fully able to walk in anothers shoes.
I agree with everything you said but what does it have to do with racism? Seriously? There are immigrants and children and refugees, and people sold into sex trade, and on and on of every ethnicity across the planet. I find it very disturbing everyone associates all this with someone skin color.

Sorry, might not be what anyone in the modern society wants to hear but I don’t care what the race or nationality or religion and so on a poor and suffering person is when they need assistance.
 
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You kidding me? This is one Bishop.
The Catholic Church doesn’t work the way you want it to. Bishops have the moral right, and duty, to teach the faithful about faith and morals, which obviously includes white supremacy.

The Bishop’s letter is clearly in line with broader Catholic teaching on the matter. If you want to convince me the Bishop is in error, and I am willing to be convinced of that, you will have to better than simply suggesting that it doesn’t seem right to you.

If you haven’t read his letter, do so. He makes an excellent argument to support his point.
 
I appreciate everyone’s concern on stuff like this, honestly.

I adopted a special needs child from China because her parents abandoned her due to the child policies over there. There are 1000s of kids like that in China and all over the world like that aren’t as lucky and 1000s, fortunately that are.

The world is a big place and many different people and groups with different problems and struggles.

I just can’t understand how you judge priority of suffering based on something so superficial. There are a lot of different shoes we would all do better to have walked in.

As someone mentioned above very adamantly, there is only one race, the human race.
 
I did read his letter and respect it. But the way more to the world than that. A local bishop doesn’t black and white define this for the planet.

It’s not about proving he is wrong because it doesn’t feel right. I don’t think you understand how it works. Of course the Catholic teaching opposes white supremacy. Does it support any kind of racial supremacy?
 
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