Confronting White Supremacy in El Paso: Naming the Sin

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Maybe you should ask people why they support the wall and not just assume their reasoning.
 
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Well maybe the money would be better spent helping Mexico become a country people want to live in - but I think they are held down so businesses can take advantage of their poor economy and produce at a much lower cost by using the labor there. But its not my border to me the wall doesn’t make a difference a person will just find another way its not a solution its a bandage.
 
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So now people are racist because their parent raised them in a stable environment. Stop bearing false witness against americans on political differences. Catholic faith allows for disagreement on the best way to do things. I dont’t understand how leaving a border open that allows the sex slave trade to exist, allows drug trade to exist, allows people from latin america to become a cheap under class for companies is morally just. Now to the macro claim that nations building walls in wrong, what about the micro level of people having walls on their houses or fences.
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If every Catholic person left and right, viewed politics first through their Catholic identity and really took seriously what Jesus expected of us in relation to the ‘stranger’, moral solutions to this problems would be revealed. Walls are not the main problem. There’s been talk of some sort of border barrier between the US and Mexico going on 10 years without a single racist overtone. George W Bush, Bill Clinton and Barak Obama built some.

The wall Trump shouted about from the rooftops was so dripping with racist overtones it was a new and completely apolitical symbol. A symbol of supremacy, power and US greatness over ‘sh-thole’ countries around the world.
 
I believe we need to address the immigration problem in a humane way and that it is a very difficult problem to address. A wall may or may not be a good idea, but I do not believe for most people it is a racial thing. I am not a racist or white supremacist or have any love for that kind of thinking. If people want to label me or people like me like that I don’t care anymore, that is their problem not mine. If the Bishop wants to tie everything about a wall to race, God bless him, racism is a disease.

Judging someone based on skin color or ethnicity is ignorant and flippant accusation of racism is irresponsible in my opinon.
 
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I believe we need to address the immigration problem in a humane way and that it is a very difficult problem to address. A wall may or may not be a good idea, but I do not believe for most people it is a racial thing. I am not a racist or white supremacist or have any love for that kind of thinking. If people want to label me or people like me like that I don’t care anymore, that is their problem not mine. If the Bishop wants to tie everything about a wall to race, God bless him, racism is a disease.

Judging someone based on skin color or ethnicity is ignorant and flippant accusation of racism is irresponsible in my opinon.
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Perhaps Catholics can appeal to invincible ignornance brought on by a collectively dulled conscience over the last few years. To refer to the movement of refugess across the border as an ‘invasion’ over and over and over can only have a basis in a supremacist, racist source. I’ve never heard any other national leader refer to refuges as ‘invaders’ as if they were a swarm of locusts and not God made human beings. Would the El Paso shooter have been so motivated to massacre these ‘hispanic invaders’ as his manifesto stated, if Trump hadn’t coined the problem in such virulently racist terms?
 
I agree with you the description of refugees as invaders is inaccurate. But being that there were caravans of thousands many carrying flags of the home countries they were “fleeing” I can understand why some would view them as invaders despite the fact I disagree with that. I guarantee labeling them racist isn’t going to change their minds or alleviate their fears. It probably just enhances it and leaves them feeling the other aide has no interest in understanding them.

You say Trumps rhetoric motivated the el paso shooter, maybe, but the same rhetoric of calling people Nazi’s and white supremacist might motivate people like the Steve Scalise shooter or others. we need to all tone down the rhetoric and stop being so irresponsible with our accusations of people we don’t agree with. Right and left as you started with.

Some ignorant people are motivated by race and maybe Trump is one of them, but I doubt it given his past. Regardless it doesn’t excuse his rhetoric and his rhetoric doesn’t excuse other’s.

It is easier to stay ignorant of The motivations of people we don’t like or agree with, Accuse them of bad and selfish motivations. Good luck with that, but I don’t think it helps in most cases.
 
there are villains on both sides. but the bad press only reports one side.

the wall is needed. it hopefully will stop a lot of criminal activity. the truly needy will still be able to get in. those that want to scam the system just won’t be able to enter as easily as now.

why is everyone afraid of the legal system of entry?
 
As a legal immigrant, I have no issues with the wall.

I have doubts about its effectiveness though.

For those against the wall, are you for open borders?

If not, why do Nigerians, Norwegians, and Indonesians required to get a visa to live and work here while Mexicans, Hondurans and Guatamalans can just walk over?

Why the special treatment?
 
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