Confused on the way to approach Gay Marriage

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There’s no such thing as “gay Married couples”. The government cannot define Marriage.
 
Except … it kind of does. Civil marriage is a thing, common-law marriage is a thing…

Where do our rights end and non-believers rights begin?

I don’t know… I don’t mind arguing the validity of these things and whether or not they’re good as a whole but because God said so is never an adequate answer so people need far more concrete ideas and words or they cannot take these ideas outside the Church.
 
We can say that it is harmful to children to deprive them of their bio-parents. On purpose.
 
What God says is always the final answer. Non believers don’t have the right to reject God. Just because they don’t want to obey Him doesn’t mean that they have the “right” to sin.
 
Do you really believe that Adam and Eve had the “right” to eat the forbidden fruit?
 
By ‘rights’, I mean their free will to choose what they wish.

And yes, Adam and Eve had the RIGHT to choose to pick to eat that fruit. If they didn’t have that right, they wouldn’t have done it.

TO BE CLEAR> I do not believe gay marriage should EVER happen in the Church. I am just unclear why it’s such an issue civilly. Civil law allows many things that we, as Catholics, disagree with. And why? Because we cannot force non-believers to live by Christian standards.
 
No one has the “right” to sin. Free will and rights are not the same thing. Adam and Eve had free will, so they could choose to disobey God. Sin is the opposite of lawful, it is a disobedience, and thus is never a right. God told them not to eat the forbidden fruit, but gave them the ability to choose to disobey Him.
 
Now we’re just quibbling over words… but whatever. I’ll sit back and read the thread. See if there’s anything I can use outside Catholic circles. Peace.
 
Of course we all have free will. God gave is this, along with everything else we have. Believers and non-believers alike have every right to reject God. Everyone is a sinner because everyone sins, regardless if they “believe” or don’t. However, not everyone goes to heaven. If we want to go heaven, we must try to live our lives as God teaches us to. It is the Church’s job to get us into heaven. One of the ways it does this through its teachings.

I think the answer your are searching for to provide for others is to get them more involved with the Church so that they may learn more about these things and the Church’s teaching of them.
 
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You speak as if God approved of sin. No one has the right to disobey God. No one has the right to break the law. Rights and Free will are NOT synonyms. Just as a criminal has free will and can break the law, he does not have the right to do so. I believe that traditionally, Catholic governments have only tolerated false religions to maintain some temporal peace, not because they approved of them.
 
Judging objectively and subjectively are not the same thing. We have a duty to not judge subjectively, but by all means fight against things that’s are objectively sinful, like gay “marriage”.
 
I never said God approved of sin - but he created sin too. He gave us free will to sin, in a way to test our love for Him.

I think you are arguing semantics about the word “right” and “law.” Using your example, of course criminals have free will and with this free will can break the law if they choose to. They have this “right.” However, if they break the law they must suffer the consequences of breaking it. Similarly, we must suffer the consequences given by God shall we decide to live a life of sin.

However, keep in mind everyone sins: criminals, priests, political leaders, parents, average people. We are a body of sinners and it is our nature to sin. This certainly shouldn’t make us think it’s ok to sin, but recognizing this truth might help us toward a path of salvation and create a better, less sinful life for ourselves and others.
 
Do you believe is that a “right” is something you can lawfully do? You can never lawfully sin…
 
As I wrote, I am neutral on the issue in civil matter.

From Thomas Aquinas:

“[Virtuous conduct] is not possible to one who has not a possible virtuous habit, as is possible to one who has. Thus the same is not possible to a child as to a full-grown man: for which reason the law for children is not the same as for adults, since many things are permitted to children, which in an adult are punished by law or at any rate are open to blame. In like manner many things are permissible to men not perfect in virtue, which would be intolerable in a virtuous man. Now human law is framed for a number of human beings, the majority of whom are not perfect in virtue. Wherefore human laws do not forbid all vices, from which the virtuous abstain, but only the more grievous vices, from which it is possible for the majority to abstain; and chiefly those that are to the hurt of others, without the prohibition of which human society could not be maintained: thus human law prohibits murder, theft and such like.”

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“belongs to those sins chiefly whereby one’s neighbor is injured.”

Civil marriage of same sex harm no one except those in the marriage.

England, Randy. Free Is Beautiful: Why Catholics should be libertarian (p. 66). Unknown. Kindle Edition
 
I have met many gay men who got married to women and procreated due to societal pressure before ‘coming out’.
 
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