Connecticut school shooting: Lawmakers offer prayers amid calls for gun control

[ProVobis]

Who scream the loudest about guns but say nothing about the 30,000 + are killed on the streets by cars? Maybe the killing by cars will continue until a ‘bunch of cowardly, lazy, greedy lawmakers’ stop getting money and donations from the ‘Car Lobby’

Well, they do have seat belt laws and supposedly safer cars these days. Just sayin.

 

[freethinker83]

Guns are not the problem.

Secularism, entitlement, atheism, materialism and other such words are the main issues with this country and it’s violence.

I disagree. If that were true violent crime rates would be much higher in nations more secular than the US.

I don’t think the problem has anything to do with religion or the lack thereof. I will not pretend to know the answer, but I don’t think the problem is lack of religion or too little gun control. Maybe mental healthcare needs to become more of a priority for us as a nation. Maybe we need to pressure insurance companies to offer more coverage for this. Maybe we need to try and get rid of the shame and embarrassment some people feel for thinking of seeking mental healthcare.

 

[JohnVictor]

hey, if you use childish logic, im not going to take you seriously. stop using fallacies, i swear, conservatives should really read up on argument fallacies. because they use A LOT.

Projecting again?

 

[ProVobis]

**BTW… anyone here like to offer an opinion as to why so many of these killers choose “GUN FREE” zones such as Schools or Churches… and not Gun Shows, Gun Ranges, and Gun Stores?
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Maybe because that’s all we report?

I’ve heard many gang-related shootings go on all the time in Chicagoland and it’s mostly hush-hush unless it happens around a Church like Fr. Pflager’s St. Sabrina.

 

[Brendan]

first of all abortion is a different matter,.

True, the subject of this thread is the wrongful, needless deaths of innocent children. I can see how that is so different from discussing abortion

 

[austenbosten]

I think a survivor of the Columbine School Massacre has it right on the reasons to stop this senseless slaughter (hint: both Conservatives and Leftists are dead-wrong)

The way to prevent such horrific acts of violence, [Craig Scott] explained, is to change the culture in the United States. He talked about a culture that often times encourages the “dehumanizing” of individuals, whether it’s violent video games or easily accessible pornography on the web.

“What happens when you are a person that grows up today and at school you’re not taught about character, integrity or values…at school you are picked on and bullied and at school teachers care more about your test scores and your knowledge and your academic achievement than the condition of your heart,” Scott said. “And when we were concerned about the heart we were number one in the world in education as a first world nation.”

“On the deepest level, these are spiritual problems that we are having in our country,” he added.

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Dead on

Dead on!**

 

[ProVobis]

Exactly. This stuff never happened just 2 generations back, when everyone was armed.

But a few generations before that we had a Civil War.

Did it ever end?

 

[ProVobis]

I think a survivor of the Columbine School Massacre has it right on the reasons to stop this senseless slaughter (hint: both Conservatives and Leftists are dead-wrong)

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Dead on

Dead on!**

You mean “Spot On!” don’t you?

 

[JohnVictor]

Maybe because that’s all we report?

I’ve heard many gang-related shootings go on all the time in Chicagoland and it’s mostly hush-hush unless it happens around a Church like Fr. Pflager’s St. Sabrina.

So guys do go to gun shows - and do mass killings…. its just that the media doesn’t report it.

I see…

Is there something in the water here tonight?
LOL

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[ProVobis]

Is there something in the water here tonight?
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I know this for a fact, John.

My plumber’s son was caught in a crossfire between two gangs. Two bullets and one left him partially paralyzed. The police heard it but didn’t report it.

Meet St. Ignore.

Proceed.

 

[austenbosten]

You mean “Spot On!” don’t you?

Yeah, poor choice of words given the context.

 

[meltzerboy]

Connecticut school shooting: Lawmakers offer prayers amid calls for gun control

Read more: politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-lawmakers-offer-prayers-85096.html#ixzz2F3aXdmiC

Nine facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States:

washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

Here’s a thread for those who wish to discuss gun control.

Why discuss it? Nothing is going to change because Congress–including both Democrats and Republicans–as well as President Obama, have no real commitment toward tightening gun-control laws. The NRA lobby rules.

 

[JohnVictor]

JohnVictor: BTW… anyone here like to offer an opinion as to why so many of these killers choose “GUN FREE” zones such as Schools or Churches…** and not Gun Shows, Gun Ranges, and Gun Stores?**

**Someperson555: Maybe because that’s all we report?

I’ve heard many gang-related shootings go on all the time in Chicagoland and it’s mostly hush-hush unless it happens around a Church like Fr. Pflager’s St. Sabrina.
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JohnVictor: So guys do go to gun shows - and do mass killings…. its just that the media doesn’t report it.

**ProVobis: I know this for a fact, John.

My plumber’s son was caught in a crossfire between two gangs. Two bullets and one left him partially paralyzed. The police heard it but didn’t report it. Meet St. Ignore. Proceed.
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**So there really is something in the water here tonight!

LOL**

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[Schism_hater]

We all saw how that worked today.

Yeah, we should arm all schoolchildren.

 

[garn9173]

As a parent of a 10 year old elementary school student, i’m beside myself as to what happened today, espically with Christmas being 10 days out and the shooter allegedly targeted his Mom and her classroom. I’m not going to spend time going through all 28 pages in this thread, but the 4th post in this thread is SPOT ON and here’s the link to the post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10132796&postcount=4

Something snaped inside of him and all the security precautions that the school had wasn’t going to stop him. If he didn’t have guns, it would’ve been grenades or molative cocktails. NOTHING short of teachers defending themselves was going to stop him from the hell those kids went through today.

 

[maximus]

We had a conversation about this in our small office room of 5. 3 of my co-workers were in favor of making guns illegals since they come from countries where guns are illegal. The other accepts that guns will not be made illegal but believes that those who support gun rights should remain silent when events like this happen and allow those who are against guns to vent their feelings. I tried to explain to the three that our 2nd Amend to our constitution is a cherished right and to give it up would lead to levels of government control that many Americans would find unacceptable.

I do not own a fire arm but I support the 2nd Amendment; however, man but this incident has eroded a little bit my support for it and made me a little more inclined to support stricter gun control laws. How do we find a balance here.

 

[Schism_hater]

And they are a largely homogenuous society and caused a lot of mayhem and committed unspeakable acts some 60-65 years ago.

And Imperial Japan’s actions 70 years ago are relevant exactly how?

 

[poker10]

Right To Own Handheld Device That Shoots Deadly Metal Pellets At High Speed Worth All Of This

theonion.com/articles/right-to-own-handheld-device-that-shoots-deadly-me,30742/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

 

[garn9173]

We had a conversation about this in our small office room of 5. 3 of my co-workers were in favor of making guns illegals since they come from countries where guns are illegal. The other accepts that guns will not be made illegal but believes that those who support gun rights should remain silent when events like this happen and allow those who are against guns to vent their feelings. I tried to explain to the three that our 2nd Amend to our constitution is a cherished right and to give it up would lead to levels of government control that many Americans would find unacceptable.

I do not own a fire arm but I support the 2nd Amendment; however, man but this incident has eroded a little bit my support for it and made me a little more inclined to support stricter gun control laws. How do we find a balance here.

Think back to Back To The Future II when Biff gets his hands on the sports book and Marty has to travel to the “future” he doesn’t know to recover the sports book and make everything right. What did old man Strickland have to defend himself? Yep, a shotgun.

I’m beginning to think that Iowa’s right to carry a concealed weapon isn’t a bad idea. Who knows how many live’s would’ve been saved at that Colorado theater last summer or today if the princpal or whoever had a fighting chance.

 

[poker10]

**BTW… anyone here like to offer an opinion as to why so many of these killers choose “GUN FREE” zones such as Schools or Churches… and not Gun Shows, Gun Ranges, and Gun Stores?
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People have killed others at gun ranges recently. You need to pay better attention.

msnbc.msn.com/id/30109090/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/mom-kills-son-then-self-shooting-range/#.UMv33m-eGuI

abcnews.go.com/US/missouri-couple-found-dead-alleged-shooting-range-murder/story?id=14464596#.UMv3-G-eGuI

huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/12/man-who-committed-suicide_n_1271411.html

pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/ex-prison_guard_pleads_guilty.html