"Consenting adults"

[on_the_hill]

I’ve actually already addressed this in previous postings. Having a fellow Catholic asking is distressing at best

Sorry to disappoint.

And I’m disappointed in your so-called answer, which boils down to a “It does because it does.”

I would have you go get a Catechism of the Catholic Church and read it.

Already got one, darlin’.
:kiss4you:

You mean to tell me if a teenager in Vladivostok masturbates, if a businessman in Tokyo has impure thoughts about his wife, if a college student in Prague swipes a half used roll of toilet paper from the dorm, if my dentist asks me if I’ve been flossing and I say “yes,” …all of these sins affect everyone else in the whole big entire world?

 

[Randy_Carson]

I’ve actually already addressed this in previous postings. Having a fellow Catholic asking is distressing at best. I would have you go get a Catechism of the Catholic Church and read it. We don’t live in a bubble, every action we make has a reaction. Two men committing sin means there isn’t two men doing good. The simple fact they aren’t available to do good, while doing evil is enough. Sexual immorality, which is rampant in this country, effects every aspect of our lives. From the clothes that are available to buy, to what is on tv and movies and so on. So, yes, what two consenting adults do in their bedroom does effect everyone, because it doesn’t stay in the bedroom.

:clapping:

 

[Bradski]

If you love me, then feel free to ask me anything or my wife anything you want. I actually don’t have anything to hide. So as a friend, feel free.

Wow. It’s not every day I get permission off a guy to question his wife on anal sex. How about you give her access to your account and I’ll PM you and she and I can discuss it. Let me know when she’s ready – on this thread so everyone can see that you’re being kosher about this.

But you’ll have to ask all your mates to see if it’s OK to ask their wives as well. This doesn’t involve just you, as you know. We need to keep a close eye on everyone. That may take some time and the thread may have closed by the time you get all the permissions and collate all the contact numbers. So just PM me the details.

I have no way of knowing what you or anyone else did last night (without asking). Whether I know or don’t know is irrelevant to YOUR question which was:

**Is what my partner and I did last night as consenting adults any of your business? **

And I have answered that “yes”, it is my business in the sense that sin affects all of us.

(And no, in the sense that the specifics aren’t really important.)

You say what I was doing is irrelevant but STILL make an assumption that I was sinning and THEREFORE it is your business. So it IS relevant to you. And you are STILL wrong.

As you said, the only way you are going to justify to yourself to make what I was doing your business is to ask me. And the answer will be, as it should be for anyone at all:

‘Buddy, that is none of your damn business.’

 

[Randy_Carson]

You mean to tell me if a teenager in Vladivostok masturbates, if a businessman in Tokyo has impure thoughts about his wife, if a college student in Prague swipes a half used roll of toilet paper from the dorm, if my dentist asks me if I’ve been flossing and I say “yes,” …all of these sins affect everyone else in the whole big entire world?

:sad_yes:

 

[on_the_hill]

And I have disagreed, Bradski.

What happens at your house affects how God views all of mankind collectively.

I don’t think it does. Wasn’t God going to destroy a city somewhere, and the one guy asked, “What if I find X-number of good people there?” and God was like, “For the sake of them, I won’t do the fire-n-brimstone thing.”

 

[Bradski]

Similarly, I don’t need to ask for specific details of what you and your “partner” did last night, do I? Wouldn’t it be sufficient for me to teach you what is considered sinful in the eyes of God and allow that information to form your own conscience?

More than sufficient. But tell me that it’s your business what we do in private and you’ll get short thrift.

 

[Randy_Carson]

You say what I was doing is irrelevant but STILL make an assumption that I was sinning and THEREFORE it is your business. So it IS relevant to you. And you are STILL wrong.

As you said, the only way you are going to justify to yourself to make what I was doing your business is to ask me. And the answer will be, as it should be for anyone at all:

‘Buddy, that is none of your damn business.’

Nice try. But you are running out of steam, Bradski.

If you and your wife are having sex, nobody gives a flip.

But if you and your “partner” are doing the same, it matters because sin is a corrosive that degrades our society. This is why laws matter. This is why public education matters. This is why moral standards for movies and television and radio programs matter.

I don’t need to ask you what you were doing, and I don’t care on a one-on-one basis. But if I can teach you (and anyone else) what is and is not acceptable to God and make a small improvement in the moral climate, I should do so, because I have to swim in the pool that others pee in. Capiche?

You alone will be responsible for the personal sins you choose to engage in, but ALL of us are affected by the slow decline of our society’s moral standards, and eventually, God will say, “Enough!”

 

[on_the_hill]

:sad_yes:

Sorry. I substitute your reality for my own.

 

[Bradski]

What happens at your house affects how God views all of mankind collectively.

So how do you find that out so that you can prevent it? (we can discuss how you think you might be able to do that when you’ve answered).

 

[Bradski]

You alone will be responsible for the personal sins you choose to engage in…

That’s strange. You earlier said it would affect everyone.

What happens at your house affects how God views all of mankind collectively.

So which is it? And you STILL haven’t told me how you find out if, when and where all this sin is taking place? You still haven’t even asked me, so unless you know what happened in my house last night, assuming as you say it will affects everyone (or just me - which was it?), then it is none of your business.

 

[Randy_Carson]

So how do you find that out so that you can prevent it? (we can discuss how you think you might be able to do that when you’ve answered).

This seems to be where you are missing the point.

I’m not going to prevent it.

I’m going to persuade you to follow God, and then you will not choose to sin voluntarily.

 

[Randy_Carson]

That’s strange. You earlier said it would affect everyone.

So which is it? And you STILL haven’t told me how you find out if, when and where all this sin is taking place? You still haven’t even asked me, so unless you know what happened in my house last night, assuming as you say it will affects everyone (or just me - which was it?), then it is none of your business.

Global warming.

If true, does it affect everyone?

If you own a coal-fired power plant that violates government regulations then YOU personally will be held accountable for your actions. But your personal actions have harmed EVERYONE else.

Similarly, you will be judged by God for your personal sins, but your sins affect us all.

 

[Bradski]

I’m going to persuade you to follow God, and then you will not choose to sin voluntarily.

Go for your life. But what happens at my house in none of your business. Just like it’s none of mine what you do at home.

Well, unless you think like godconvertedme. He’s got no problem with me talking to his wife about the type of sex they have…

 

[Bradski]

Similarly, you will be judged by God for your personal sins, but your sins affect us all.

Still making assumptions, I see.

 

[Mike_from_NJ]

But if you and your “partner” are doing the same, it matters because sin is a corrosive that degrades our society.

How does it do that? If Bob and Joe Bob decide to engage in some less-than-Leviticus-friendly entertainment and don’t tell a sole, how does this sin degrade society?

Would you call for laws to be enacted that would restrict such activities within the privacy of one’s home?

Also, for anyone watching this thread a fun thing is to replace all instance of the word “sin” with “cooties”.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Go for your life. But what happens at my house in none of your business. Just like it’s none of mine what you do at home.

Does the government have the right to insist that you recycle plastic and cardboard and newsprint…for the good of society?

Does the goverment have the right to insist that gasolines meet certain emissions standards for the sake of all EVEN IF THAT COSTS YOU MORE AT THE GAS PUMP?

If we can uphold environmental standards for the health of the planet, why is it any less important to uphold moral standards for the health of our spirits?

 

[Randy_Carson]

Still making assumptions, I see.

Pretty strong comeback, Brad.

Not.

 

[nodito]

It has been SPECIFICALLY stated that we’re looking at a situation where no-one else is affected. That happens all the time.

Well, to be fair, YOU have said we’re discussing situations that affect no one else. The rest of us are claiming (again, and again, and again) that such situations are actually quite rare. Maybe if two men are stranded on an island somehow by themselves, engage in sexual activity, and then die shortly after, it would be fair to say that no one else is affected. I don’t think it works like that in real life.

 

[Godconvertedme]

Sorry to disappoint.

And I’m disappointed in your so-called answer, which boils down to a “It does because it does.”

Already got one, darlin’.
:kiss4you:

You mean to tell me if a teenager in Vladivostok masturbates, if a businessman in Tokyo has impure thoughts about his wife, if a college student in Prague swipes a half used roll of toilet paper from the dorm, if my dentist asks me if I’ve been flossing and I say “yes,” …all of these sins affect everyone else in the whole big entire world?

As a Catholic, when you stand before God and He asks why you believe that sin only effects the sinner, when the bible has multiple stories explaining why and the Catechism explains why. What exactly are you going to tell Him? Your going to say, “I didn’t know, because I was a Catholic that didn’t believe what the Catholic Church teaches.”

 

[Randy_Carson]

How does it do that? If Bob and Joe Bob decide to engage in some less-than-Leviticus-friendly entertainment and don’t tell a sole, how does this sin degrade society?

Let me begin by asking if you are under the age of 50 or over 50? You don’t have to be specific…

Would you call for laws to be enacted that would restrict such activities within the privacy of one’s home?

I would not because we are not covenanted to God in the same way that Israel was. Consequently, I am for personal freedom…even if I disagree with what that is going to entail. My opinion is that I have the responsibility to persuade you to become a believer…and God will deal with your heart as he has (and is) mine.

Also, for anyone watching this thread a fun thing is to replace all instance of the word “sin” with “cooties”.

You can probably replace “sin” with “death”, too. That would be a hoot, wouldn’t it?