Eventually, he will make some statement reinforcing the consistent teaching of the Church regarding artificial birth control. It may not be a direct clarification of the current statement, but it will straighten everything out…and drive the progressive/heterodox Catholics nuts.
This is exactly how the quote is being presented in the media, and it leaves out the key portion right after this, when the Pope is specifically asked if the Catholic Church is not opposed to condoms, he replies:
So no, condoms are not being presented as suddenly moral in certain circumstances. The Pope is simply pointing out that in some specific circumstances they show a movement towards moral concern. He flat out says that they’re not a moral solution, yet people are falling all over themselves over this.
Those aren’t “conservative” Catholics, those are traditionalist Catholics. The others are non-traditionalist Catholics.
In many cases an objective or at least widely agreed upon categorization can be applied. That this is not always true is hardly reason to avoid the word; the same can be said of “traditional” or even “conservative” in the political sense.
Unfortunately, the terms often have different meanings.
Yes, although suggesting a change in those rules is often acceptable as well.
Yes.
That’s probably a fair statement, since both have been approved and practiced for over 30 years now. However, a similar example would be the use of a straw for communion. Its use in viaticum has been approved for many years, so there would certainly be nothing heterodox in suggesting a loosening of current rules to allow routine use in distributing communion during mass. Such a suggestion would however be a rather bold move, and most Catholics would probably take a conservative position that this sort of change would be bizarre and unnecessary.
Yeah. I beleive that to be true.
Yeah political liberalism does not fit with orthodox Catholicism.
I was going to ask that.
Condoms can not stop HIV/AIDS. They have a 15% failure rate.
The Drama…
The big problem here is that the world has taking this on another direction. and so many would even try to find out the truth because this is just what they want to hear and they block out everything else. Plus the name of the Book doesnt help either.
I submit that the writer of the article by the Associated Press either does not understand that Catholic Church cannot be sub-divided into conservative or liberal groups (by intent to keep rules or change rules, or otherwise) or worse yet, is trying to create division among Catholics by referring to those that know that the personal views of the Pope are not official Catholic teaching vs. those that think that the Pope’s personal views are offical Catholic teaching.
I agree.
The writer doesn’t understand it because it isn’t true. Any group can be subdivided into smaller groups. My family can be subdivided into those who are more conservative and those who are more liberal in the quantity of toppngs they apply to homemade pizza. My parish can be subdivided into groups based on which mass times they prefer to attend. My diocese can be divided into those who prefer the old bishop, and those that prefer the new one. And Catholics throughout the world can be divided into those who deeply believe that nothing positive should ever be said about condoms, and those who don’t feel as strongly against them.
Since a very small chunk of the population reads the news anymore, I doubt the reporter deludes himself into thinking he has that kind of power. I hope few members here are deluded by that thought.
Indeed ! When you are Catholic in name only, there will be many divisions ! When all accept Catholic teaching, all truth, { including all bishops} then a unity will be had as never been seen and Jesus prayer will be understood . Truth cannot be subdivided no matter your personal moniker.
In any case, the assumption is that men are going to use the condoms. Many men find them an intolerable limitation on their pleasure.
It is a bit like “rules of war.” War is all violence, and any limitation on it is a moral advance. The cause of all this commotion about what the pope said is that each side has made the condom into a symbol. For many liberals, the gun is a symbol. The reality is that the guns is designed to kill/maim. The atomic bomb is designed to kill and maim perhaps millions. The task before us is to limit their use, because we can’t “Uninvent” them. And in order to do this we must go to the intention of the human beings who might use them. We must somehow persuade them that they ought not ever to be used. The problem being that Cain did not have to use a weapon to kill Abel.
A handgun was designed for the purpose of killing, and Sam Colt made his for the TexasRangers so that the Rangers could win their fights with the Apache and Comanches. This helped the Rangers who up to then had to depend on a single-shot pistol/rifle/shotgun.Indeed ! When you are Catholic in name only, there will be many divisions ! When all accept Catholic teaching, all truth, { including all bishops} then a unity will be had as never been seen and Jesus prayer will be understood . Truth cannot be subdivided no matter your personal moniker.
God Bless
You obviously haven’t read my post which you just quoted entirely. If you do, you will see that I addressed ***only the Morality ***of the issue and the intention. I did not even mention condoms once in my entire post.