Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

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meltzerboy said:
Obama garnered close to 70% of the Jewish vote, only a slight drop from the 2008 election. The Jews in South Florida did not hand Obama the election since Florida was not the pivotal state in the election this time. But certainly seniors and near-seniors in Florida and elsewhere must have thought twice about voting for a candidate who advocated a private voucher program, given the current state of the economy and the perceived lack of integrity of the insurance industry.
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My evidence is anecdotal. After the election I got to speak with my 88 year old grandmother. She told me that many of her friends wanted Romney, but voted Ryan to protect their Medicare. They were liked Romney, but were afraid of what Ryan brought to the ticket.
 
Carlan said:
In the event any of you are truly interested in any ones opinion other than your own, I would like to say that I believe many, many of us vote for our own party affiliation rather than the candidate.
Especially true for most posters in this thread, otherwise they would never have voted for **Mr Romney and his position on abortion for he has stated ,since being accepted as your party’s nominee, that he is not against abortion in some circumstances. **Peace, Carlan
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So who do I vote for then? Obama? I am honestly asking…:confused:
 
epan said:
My evidence is anecdotal. After the election I got to speak with my 88 year old grandmother. She told me that many of her friends wanted Romney, but voted Ryan to protect their Medicare. They were liked Romney, but were afraid of what Ryan brought to the ticket.
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I suppose you mean your grandmother’s friends liked Romney but voted for Obama because of Ryan?
 
Tigg said:
It used to be that the Republican party was the party of character and integrity and those running for public office did so out of commitment to serve their country. Now the GOP is just as riddled with corruption and scandal as the other guys and just as compromising when it comes to our best interests.

The problem as I see it, government would never have been allowed to get this big, nor this treacherous, if only We, the People, would have continued to place our Savior first. It is our betrayal that has led us here – we can only blame the government for so much.

To quote Karl Marx……

“Man is the god of man.”
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The problem are the voters who did not vote Republican which in no way compared to the Democrat platform that wanted to Take God out, is for expanding abortion and for same sex marriage.

Also, did you know a number of people from ACORN have been convicted on voter fraud? That’s corruption, where are these Republicans to prove your point?

The problem are voters who express falsehoods and are ignorant of truths. Do you believe that?
 
CMatt25 said:
I’m starting to conclude from this thread that conservatives calling for GOP leaders to step down, may not realize that the electorate on the whole might not vote solely on abortion, or on outlawing it all cases including rape and incest, and not allowing a woman the right to choose a direct abortion to protect her own health and life, and do not place the emphasis on it that some Catholics do here.
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If what you are saying is true,sadly I think you are correct,it is to the detriment of our society.:(:(😦
 
Carlan said:
In the event any of you are truly interested in any ones opinion other than your own, I would like to say that I believe many, many of us vote for our own party affiliation rather than the candidate.
Especially true for most posters in this thread, otherwise they would never have voted for Mr Romney and his position on abortion for he has stated ,since being accepted as your party’s nominee, that he is not against abortion in some circumstances.
Peace, Carlan
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Romney= Not against abortion in some circumstances.

Obama= Not against abortion in any circumstances.

I don’t see where I had any viable choice but to vote for Romney.
 
CMatt25 said:
I’m starting to conclude from this thread that conservatives calling for GOP leaders to step down, may not realize that the electorate on the whole might not vote solely on abortion, or on outlawing it all cases including rape and incest, and not allowing a woman the right to choose a direct abortion to protect her own health and life, and do not place the emphasis on it that some Catholics do here.
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So we should reject our faith out of political expediency? You see a lot of people in this thread who have done just that.
 
Jeanne_S said:
If what you are saying is true,sadly I think you are correct,it is to the detriment of our society.:(:(😦
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Are you really saying it is to the detriment of society not to allow a woman to protect her own life and health? That I think is the problem with many leaders in the Republican Party, right there, as much of the electorate perceives it, including Catholics. It was not so much the economic beliefs of spending cuts and lowering taxes that Republican conservatives held which defeated Romney, but the social ones.
 
meltzerboy said:
I suppose you mean your grandmother’s friends liked Romney but voted for Obama because of Ryan?
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Yes. Sorry if I was unclear.

They were afraid of what might happen to medicare, which they rely on. My grandmother can afford her political views. She has enough money to pay any insurance bill. She voted for Romney.
 
pete_29 said:
Romney= Not against abortion in some circumstances.

Obama= Not against abortion in any circumstances.

I don’t see where I had any viable choice but to vote for Romney.
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Plus where pregnancy is the result of rape and incest is probably very very very low in percentage compared to the mainstream of abortions, so this is just a spin on it to evade one’s responsibility in support of abortion and the abortion industry that Barak Obama represents and is an active partner in.

To compare Obama’s views to Romney’s seems intellectually dishonest. And farcical even in that Romney probably really would have lessened Abortions.

Military soldiers unarmed gunned down at Fort Hood, as I said, I don’t even think Obama came down seriously to console the families, it is called workplace violence but He must have been out in 24 hours to condemn the slaying of George Tiller.

It also seem intellectually dishonest in that many people making this point are voting for the most adamant radical politicians in abortion rights, abortion rights that are much more radical than that in Europe in most cases.
 
epan said:
Yes. Sorry if I was unclear.

They were afraid of what might happen to medicare, which they rely on. My grandmother can afford her political views. She has enough money to pay any insurance bill. She voted for Romney.
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Could you PM me your grandmother’s phone number or email?
 
BroomWagon said:
The problem are the voters who did not vote Republican which in no way compared to the Democrat platform that wanted to Take God out, is for expanding abortion and for same sex marriage.

Also, did you know a number of people from ACORN have been convicted on voter fraud? That’s corruption, where are these Republicans to prove your point?

The problem are voters who express falsehoods and are ignorant of truths. Do you believe that?
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I believe that our society has turned away from God and that we, His people, are afflicted with all the “isms.” Many are spiritually blinded…some by party loyalty. I know exactly who the Democrats are and what they stand for, and for the record, I held my nose and voted to lessen the evil. Life issues are always my priority but if you look at truly conservative values (prior to the Bush years) you’ll see just how far the right has slipped toward Democratic socialism. I have a video to post to poignantly illustrate this if I can find it.
 
CMatt25 said:
I’m starting to conclude from this thread that conservatives calling for GOP leaders to step down, may not realize that the electorate on the whole might not vote solely on abortion, or on outlawing it all cases including rape and incest, and not allowing a woman the right to choose a direct abortion to protect her own health and life, and do not place the emphasis on it that some Catholics do here.
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Why should people vote solely based on abortion? Does being pro-life automatically render someone capable of leading a country? Methinks not.
 
seekerz said:
Where do you get his stuff? 90% of pregnant women?

Fact: abortion has been legal in this country since Obama was a child. Fact: women are not programmable robots so that whoever controls the switch get to control them. Fact: some of us insist on living in denial of the above facts then wonder why electorate doesn’t go the way we want.

Obama won. God allowed it. Get over it.
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Hitler ruled Germany. God allowed it. Get over it. Seriously? God allowes humanity to make a whole host of mistakes. Rarely does He intervene as some Deus Ex Machina to right our mistakes on a national level.

We have an obligation much higher than someone on a message board to not “get over it,” but to minimize the damage and do the right thing. You act as though Democrats got over Bush winning twice. They fought tooth and nail to reclaim seats for their belief system, and there are still complaints to this day about the elections, and the economy being Bush’s fault.
 
seekerz said:
Why should people vote solely based on abortion? Does being pro-life automatically render someone capable of leading a country? Methinks not.
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No-but supporting unrestricted abortion on demand makes one morally unfit for any position of leadership.
 
meltzerboy said:
I think the Obamacare package is in itself a compromise in that it doesn’t go far enough in providing universal healthcare.
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And with no support from Republicans, it still doesn’t qualify as compromise. In a compromise, concessions are made from both sides, and significant votes are garnered from both sides. This was hardly a compromise.
 
seekerz said:
Why should people vote solely based on abortion? Does being pro-life automatically render someone capable of leading a country? Methinks not.
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Have you not recongized the amount of times people have quoted Popes, Bishops and Priests saying protecting life from conception to natural death is the overriding factor when it comes to voting, a ‘non negotiable’ as Pope Benedict calls it
 
Jeanne_S said:
Obama told a lot of untruths re Romney,his campaign was one of the filthiest,lowdown campaigns in recent history. As far as O’s being truthful about his plans for the USA,No he didn’t lie,he believes every word of his destructive ideology.😦
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And the other side is pristine? Give me a break. There has been a campaign of LIES against him since Obama first took the public stage, LIES which some politicians took advantage of, joked about, tolerated and propagated. This is not about who says who created jobs or who voted which way - this was a targeted, personal attack of pure lies. Then some of these same people are surprised that they didn’t get their way because they are sooo morally superior.

Don’t be fooled, God is not mocked. What a man sows that shall he reap. Those who sow hatred and lies, whatever their political leaning, will reap bitter fruit.
 
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