Contemporary music at mass

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Do homemakers not work? They work very hard, based on what I’ve seen.
 
Don’t call them modernists! They’ll get you blocked for not being inclusive enough!
 
whyeyeman said:
Do homemakers not work? They work very hard, based on what I’ve seen.
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Equal pay is relevant for those who Work outside the Home. There is NO requirement of the Church for women to be “homemakers” ZERO. Thus Equal pay is important to Catholics–because we do NOT adhere to the idea that SAHM or homemaking is needed for Catholics.
 
Catechism of the council of Trent, on the Duties of a Wife:

“To train their children in the practice of virtue and to pay particular attention to their domestic concerns should also be special objects of their attention. The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave without her husband’s consent.”
 
whyeyeman said:
Catechism of the council of Trent, on the Duties of a Wife:

“To train their children in the practice of virtue and to pay particular attention to their domestic concerns should also be special objects of their attention. The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave without her husband’s consent.”
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Yeah. That happened in the 1500’s.

It is NOT canon and it is NOT in the current catechism

Currently we are celebrating saints who were mothers who worked outside the home in re-alignment with scripture.

Thank GOD the church permits me to leave my home “without my husband’s concent” how very tiring that would be.
 
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Truth is absolute. What was true then is true today.
 
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That was also the time when grown men could marry young girls. You plan on marrying a young girl.
 
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The teachings of the church don’t work that way. Some things are taken out because they are not relevant anymore–or even damaging.

If this was truly the case than St. Giana and Bl. Chiara would not be permitted to rise to sainthood–yet all the women saints who were mothers in the last couple of centuries have worked outside the home for wages. Quite the contradiction don’t you think?
 
Currently we (our culture) are celebrating same sex ‘marriage’, divorce, abortion, transgenderism and a host of other insanities. The past wasn’t perfect but it might have had more collective wisdom than our age.
 
exnihilo said:
Currently we (our culture) are celebrating same sex ‘marriage’, divorce, abortion, transgenderism and a host of other insanities. The past wasn’t perfect but it might have had more collective wisdom than our age.
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So let’s go back to the Biblical woman of great value. The women held in most high esteem. She clearly worked outside the home.
 
I’m not saying women can’t work outside of the home. I am saying the values and way of thinking many people have bought into, including members of the church, are what give us many of the great immoralities of our modern time.
 
“So let’s go back to the Biblical woman of great value. The women held
in most high esteem. She clearly worked outside the home.”

Why do you think this? Where exactly does it state that she worked outside the home? Are we thinking of the same passage? Do you think she went out and worked in some kind of weaving / spinning / sewing factory? Don’t you think she did this in her own home?
 
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whyeyeman:
Truth is absolute. What was true then is true today.
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The teachings of the church don’t work that way. Some things are taken out because they are not relevant anymore–or even damaging.

If this was truly the case than St. Giana and Bl. Chiara would not be permitted to rise to sainthood–yet all the women saints who were mothers in the last couple of centuries have worked outside the home for wages. Quite the contradiction don’t you think?
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Yes - a husband could beat his wife.

Below is from a “trad” site.
More than just a case, and it’s simple in principle. A temporal authority must ultimately have recourse to physical punishment, else it isn’t really a temporal authority. If trads ‘put their money where their mouth is’ then it’s clear the husband has the right to strike his wife, again, assuming commensurability to the offence. It is revolutionary and anarchical to deny that he has this right and can exercise it in justice. One could go into a great deal more detail discussing the circumstances in which it would be called for and the proper limits on the husband’s rights in this respect (since we are not Roman pagans who believe in an unlimited patria potestas), but that’s unnecessary and diversionary at this time, when it is actually the principle that’s being rejected.
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Calling people ‘trad’ is derogatory. Why didn’t you link to the source you attribute to ‘trads’? Why are you trying to smear traditionalists with outrageous discussions of a no doubt very small minority?
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
“So let’s go back to the Biblical woman of great value. The women held
in most high esteem. She clearly worked outside the home.”

Why do you think this? Where exactly does it state that she worked outside the home? Are we thinking of the same passage? Do you think she went out and worked in some kind of weaving / spinning / sewing factory? Don’t you think she did this in her own home?
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An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above jewels. The heart of her husband trusts in her, And he will have no lack of gain. She does him good and not evil All the days of her life. read more.
She looks for wool and flax And works with her hands in delight. She is like merchant ships; She brings her food from afar. She rises also while it is still night And gives food to her household And portions to her maidens. She considers a field and buys it; From her earnings she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength And makes her arms strong. She senses that her gain is good; Her lamp does not go out at night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff, And her hands grasp the spindle. She extends her hand to the poor, And she stretches out her hands to the needy. She is not afraid of the snow for her household, For all her household are clothed with scarlet. She makes coverings for herself; Her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known in the gates, When he sits among the elders of the land . She makes linen garments and sells them, And supplies belts to the tradesmen. Strength and dignity are her clothing, And she smiles at the future. She opens her mouth in wisdom, And the teaching of kindness is on her tongue. She looks well to the ways of her household, And does not eat the bread of idleness. Her children rise up and bless her; Her husband also, and he praises her, saying: “Many daughters have done nobly, But you excel them all.” Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, But a woman who fears the LORD, she shall be praised. Give her the product of her hands, And let her works praise her in the gates.

Most of this had to be done outside the walls of a home.
 
Yes, there may have been women who “worked outside the home”. Not sure how many of these would have been mothers with small children?
I’m quite sure that much of the work could have been done in the home to a large degree. Sewing, cooking, making cloth, etc.
 
NO NO NO, I went to Catholic school in late 50’s early 60’s. I prefer more traditional music, holy music. No guitars, Oragan or piano. Heck I am not happy with the Mass in English.
 
You think she doesn’t make the linen garments in her home? Because she “supplies” belts to the tradesmen, you think she’s, what, a traveling salesman? She might provide them to some other merchant. She may “bring her food from afar” - - who knows what that means. It doesn’t mean she was a long-haul trucker. Maybe she walks some distance (hours? days?) - - maybe she even travels with her children. I think all of this textile work was done in her home.
 
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