Contradictory Religions Can’t All Be True

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rossum said:
Now you are splitting Jesus into two: Jesus-as-God, who did not die on the cross because God cannot die and Jesus-as-man who did die because all men die.
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The doctrine of the Trinity answers this pretty easily. Jesus as man died a human death but God as trinity was unchanged in its aliveness. Now admittedly the doctrine of the Trinity is hard for a human mind to wrap itself around. But that is to be expected, if you accept the possibility that there is an infinitely wise eternal God. It should be hard for a finite mind to wrap itself completely around an infinite God. So we’re OK having some mystery to our faith. And this may sound like a copout, but I don’t want a God so small that I can completely figure him out with my own intellect. That kind of God is just way too small. If I thought that, I’d be an atheist.
 
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Many Christians don’t believe Jesus is God. A Trinity doesn’t make anyone a Christian.
 
Dudd said:
Many Christians don’t believe Jesus is God. A Trinity doesn’t make anyone a Christian.
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that is the point, who is the true Jesus
there can be only one answer
He can’t be part of the trinity at the same time not be part of it for a different group.
is Jesus God or not?
not everyone wins!
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Yes, but humanity is not opposed to divinity. Even then, grey has black and white yet it isn’t partly white and partly black.
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I was not talking about humanity/divinity. I was talking about dead/non-dead. Those two are directly opposed.
OrbisNonSufficit said:
No they aren’t… not for God.
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So, we have two dictionaries, one for the ordinary world and one for God. Hence Jesus did not die on the cross, Jesus cheenioral on the cross – a word from the God-dictionary. That makes everything so much clearer.

What about Vishnu, Allah and all the other gods? Do they share the same dictionary as the Christian God (with words like cheenioral in it) or do they all have their own different dictionaries?
 
rossum said:
So, we have two dictionaries
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I wouldn’t go as far… honestly I think that God simply works under different causality than we do. Death is death but causality does not apply to God because He is above it.
rossum said:
I was not talking about humanity/divinity. I was talking about dead/non-dead. Those two are directly opposed.
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Oh I see. Thanks for clarifying.
 
rossum said:
  1. Jesus is God.
  2. Jesus died on the cross.
Seems obvious that the Christian God can die.
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Jesus rose again. Seems obvious God gave us an example of defeating death and satan. Jesus as God is firstborn from the dead. Can your god do that?

I take it from your post that you accept that Jesus is God, and Jesus as God, died on a cross.
 
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rossum said:
  1. Jesus is God.
  2. Jesus died on the cross.
Seems obvious that the Christian God can die.
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You should know that the Church considers Jesus to be both ‘wholly man’ and ‘wholly God’ . According to the Church, it was Jesus - as man - who offered himself as a sacrifice on the cross; and that it was Jesus - as God, and together with the Father and the Holy Spirit- who received it. God did not die. (See Dr Ludwig Ott’s ‘Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma’).
 
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Niblo said:
You should know that the Church considers Jesus to be both ‘wholly man’ and ‘wholly God’ . According to the Church, it was Jesus - as man - who offered himself as a sacrifice on the cross; and that it was Jesus - as God, and together with the Father and the Holy Spirit- who received it. God did not die. (See Dr Ludwig Ott’s ‘Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma’).
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How could Jesus rise from the dead if Jesus was not dead? If just man-Jesus died, then what about man-Lazarus? Should we be worshipping him as well?
 
rossum said:
How could Jesus rise from the dead if Jesus was not dead? If just man-Jesus died, then what about man-Lazarus? Should we be worshipping him as well?
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Indeed how could He if He was not God.
Jesus as God, Beseeching His Father, allowed Lazarus to rise again, to the glory of God.

Can your god do that?

Lazarus did die again later, as he was only human.Lazarus is only human, so no we dont worship him.
 
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rossum said:
How could Jesus rise from the dead if Jesus was not dead? If just man-Jesus died, then what about man-Lazarus? Should we be worshipping him as well?
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The Church teaches that it was God who raised Jesus from the dead. The one who died - and who was resurrected - was Jesus the man.

It was not the act of resurrection that made Jesus - the man - divine, it was his conception; the moment that - according to the Church - the Second Person of the Holy Trinity - became flesh. Lazarus was merely a man, and therefore not to be worshipped.
 
OurLadyofSorrows said:
Jesus as God, Beseeching His Father, allowed Lazarus to rise again, to the glory of God.

Can your god do that?
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The Buddha is not a god. With reincarnation, everyone lives again and again and again, and so dies again and again and again. If you don’t want to die, then you need to avoid being born. The Buddha teaches how attain nirvana, and hence avoid being born yet again.
 
rossum said:
The Buddha is not a god. With reincarnation, everyone lives again and again and again, and so dies again and again and again. If you don’t want to die, then you need to avoid being born. The Buddha teaches how attain nirvana, and hence avoid being born yet again.
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So you do not have a god that can do this.
The difference between our religions on a very basic level is one depends on the will of man and what he believes he can construct for himself,
the other believes God has the first and last say.

But who created everyone according to buddhists. How do people come into existence.
 
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According to the Church, he died, with regard to his human nature; but did not die, with regard to his divine nature.
 
OurLadyofSorrows said:
But who created everyone according to buddhists. How do people come into existence.
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We created ourselves by our actions in our previous lives. Some humans were humans in their previous life, some were gods, some were animals or in one of the hells. Where you are born/hatched/etc depends on your actions to date. Further actions are up to you. Actions have consequences; better by far to know the consequences before you act.
 
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