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The letter from the Archbishop to the Prime Minister of India:
theindiancatholic.com/report.asp?nid=10292
" Dear Prime Minister, you can see from what I have described here in my letter
  1. That the attack on Christmas during Christmas 2007 was pre-meditated and pre-planned.
  2. The government had full knowledge about impending attack, but did not act.
  3. Even I suspect the complicity of the government in this heinous crime.
  4. The government has handled this matter very casually allowing the situation to go out of control.
    Therefore, in order to clarify matters and to bring the culprits to books, I request you, Hon’ble Prime Minister, to order an enquiry by the Central Bureau of Investigations as soon as possible before evidence is obliterated."
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Let us call upon the intercessory prayers of Mother Teresa who served the poor and the homeless in India. May God protect all the Christians in India from oppression and possible death.
St. Bruno’s premonition is correct Orissa lies south of West Bengal and Calcutta which Mother Teresa called home. It is God’s secret as to how many lives she saved. Especially more because many bodies were hidden by the attackers and no one knows for sure how many Christians are dead.

Orissa: I prayed to Mother Teresa as the Hindus hunted us by Nirmala Carvalho
From the region wracked by anti-Christian attacks, the eye-witness account of Fratel Oscar, Missionary of Charity and director of Shanti Nivas, a home for the elderly destroyed by hindutva militias.
“It was 10 pm on 25 December,” he said, “when a group of 80 Hindu extremists came into our compound, our Shanti Nivas, armed with swords, axes, sticks and iron rods. To avoid violence we moved the 33 patients, all Hindus, to the last floor of our hospital; 22 of them are very old and suffering from malnutrition, tuberculosis and diabetes.”
At one point outside the extremists ran after me and three fellow brothers as well as six local villagers, throwing stones but thanks to the Blessed Mother Teresa’s intercession none of us got hurt.”

The full article is here
asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=11508&size=A

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Let us call upon the intercessory prayers of Mother Teresa who served the poor and the homeless in India. May God protect all the Christians in India from oppression and possible death.
Eyewitness on Hindu terror: full text
Hindu nationalist “Patriot Brigades” assaulted hospital workers who were giving care to Indian lepers and other sufferers. Brother Oscar Tete of the Missionaries of Charity gives his field report on the Christmas Eve rampage.
speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=14391&t=Eyewitness+on+Hindu+terror%3A+full+text
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In somewhat unrelated news LOS ANGELES - The Bishop of the Epsicopal diocese of Los Angeles has issued an apology to Hindus worldwide for what he called “centuries-old acts of religious discrimination by Christians, including attempts to convert them”
news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=9591cba5f97e9f1b3743a1331f2ce5e5
in the context of this violence, I also wonder what are the belief systems of christians.
The ECUSA is a strange and aberrent form of religion which much of world-wide Anglicanism dismisses as heretical.

CDL
 
The ECUSA is a strange and aberrent form of religion which much of world-wide Anglicanism dismisses as heretical.

CDL
When IMHO fringe or extremist groups claim to apologize for others perceived sins many become targets of violence because of the “apologies”. Thus the violence accelerates and does not diminish.
 
Orissa Authorities Detain Christians Following Violence
Sunday, 17 February 2008 (7 hours ago)
By BosNewsLife Asia Service
There has been concern about Hindu militant activities in Orissa. BHUBANESWAR, INDIA (BosNewsLife)-- At least eleven Christians remained behind bars Sunday, February 17, in India’s troubled state of Orissa after deadly clashes with Hindu mobs attacking churches, Christian homes and other properties, a lawyer said.
Priest Dibyasingh Parichha, a lawyer and secretary of the Catholic Archdiocese of Cuttack-Bhubaneswar in Orissa, said eight believers were “falsely accused and arrested” during riots that began around Christmas in December, and killed up to nine Christians. At least two other Christian refugees staying in camps are known to have died in recent weeks, apparently of illnesses.

In addition three other Christians were arrested Sunday, February 17, but it was not immediately clear how long they would be held in prison, with a bail hearing scheduled for Monday, February 18.

Among those detained is a 12-year old boy, identified only as Silu, who was allegedly injured by gun fire in the December violence.
Full text here
bosnewslife.com/asia-pacific/india/3442-orissa-authorities-detain-christians-followin
 
Next Stop OrissaWith Modi triumphant, an emboldened Sangh is set upon doing a repeat of Gujarat, reports S. ANAND
“You are just burning tyres. How many Isai houses and churches have you burnt? Without kranti (revolution) there can be no shanti (peace). Narendra Modi has done kranti in Gujarat, the reason why shanti’s there.”
Lakhanananda Saraswati, 82-year-old Sangh leader inciting his followers on his cell phone on December 25, from a medical centre in Daringbadi, Kandhamal district, in the presence of police and journalists
FIRE, AGNI, is the most favoured element in Hindutva’s next laboratory Orissa. It is the acrid smell from the burnt-down churches, vehicles and homes that remains with you after a three-day visit to Kandhamal district even a week after the worst instance of anti- Christian violence in independent India.
tehelka.com/story_main37.asp?filename=Ne190108next_stop.asp
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4179 Total Signatures in the online petition special thanks to CAF and to all who signed the petition and offered their fervent prayers. The signature list is now moving more rapidly as so many become aware that this is an ongoing persecution and people are truly suffering.
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God bless
Derrick
 
Christians to march against attacksExpress news service
Posted online: Tuesday , February 19, 2008 at 11:41:26
Pune, February 18 Christian leaders from different denominations will take out a silent protest rally on Monday from YMCA, Quarter Gate, to condemn the attacks on Christian institutions in Orissa and Gujarat. They have urged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to take steps to ensure the safety of the community.
Disrupting church services and burning churches is deplorable, especially during the festive time, and the community fears a repeat of an infamous spate of violence in Gujarat’s Dangs district in 1998.
Dangs witnessed violence for ten days in December 1998.
More than 14 churches, four convents, three houses of priests and eight hostels were fully or partially destroyed besides injuries sustained by Christians in Kandhamal district’s Baliguda sub-division, Orissa, they said.
expressindia.com/latest-n…ttacks/274450/
God bless
Derrick
 
And what of all the European and Latin American peoples who were converted to Christianity at the point of the sword? It is still unjust, but let’s not be the pot calling the kettle black.

Matthew
 
And what of all the European and Latin American peoples who were converted to Christianity at the point of the sword? It is still unjust, but let’s not be the pot calling the kettle black.

Matthew
Today’s Date is Feb 20, 2008
India is suppose to be a Democratic State
An emerging giant on the World Economic Stage
Some in this country few India as a Bastion of Enlightment
 
Today’s Date is Feb 20, 2008
India is suppose to be a Democratic State
An emerging giant on the World Economic Stage
Some in this country few India as a Bastion of Enlightment
Thanks Gus, and yes Drafdog has a historical point, this is repeated ad infinitum to the Christians and Muslims in India, and along with other points used to unleash violence, there are several issues here:
  1. My ancestors were converted by the Portuguese in Goa, which was a consequence of unjust land ownership rules in the 1600’s but it does not explain why so many other landless individuals converted. People are ALSO attracted to Christianity. If it were not so Goans would have long ago become hindu. Even in case of the Portuguese and Spanish it must be remembered that they were only imitating their Arab rulers who did the same to them. This violence then has much to do with their history and less to do with Christianity.
  2. In case of Muslims there has been a lot of historical violence some would say even mandated by verses in the Quran, but the Muslims in India whose ancestors suffered that violence should be the ones complaining, not the Hindu zealots.
  3. This violence has no mandate in Hinduism as I said a little earlier, it is Nazi philosophy put in Hindu philosophical terms,one of the quotes (often denied) attributed to its founder is “To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races – the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.” Hinduism is today as guilty of violence as we may have been in the past.
Finally, violence is violence, Christians do not deny and are sorry for the historical wrongs committed. But today we do not do those things living in harmony with many other religions. In India people love Jesus and His message, the poorer castes love Him because He loved the poor, and because they see His poor priest and nuns, and poor baptist missionaries with their hearts full of love for those oppressed and enslaved for centuries. They are not going to stop coming to Christ because of violence and we do not apologise for being Christians.
God bless
Derrick
 
Mizoram is a small state in the North East of india having just 888,000 inhabitants and is 87% Christian
hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200802202040.htm
**Mizoram donates relief for riot-hit Orissa Christians **
Aizawl (PTI): More than Rs 6.85 lakh (INR685,000) has been collected in Mizoram to help the Christians affected by the communal riot in Orissa during December-end and early January.

Sources in the committee formed to collect donations for Christians in Orissa said on Wednesday that the fund would be utilised in rebuilding houses damaged during the violence.

They claimed that some Christians were not only tortured and rendered homeless, but were killed by fanatics during Christmas festivities.

They also alleged that the state government and the Centre did not do anything to ensure security of the Christian community while state police remained mute spectators to the violence.
 
chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/190681?eng=y
India’s Two Plagues: The “Missing Women” and Violence Against Christians
The first of these number in the tens of millions, killed in their mothers’ wombs or as infants. As for anti-Christian intolerance, the latest explosion has taken place in Orissa. Behind it are fanatics of Hinduism and of the higher castes

by Sandro Magister
It is a violence that has risen to a crescendo in recent years, especially in certain states. Gujarat and Orissa are among them. In Orissa, which faces the Bay of Bengal, south of Calcutta, Australian Protestant missionary Graham Staines and his two children were killed after their car was set on fire in 1999.

Those who are hostile toward Christians accuse them of proselytizing, and therefore violating the Hindutwa, the identification between India and Hinduism asserted by intolerant Hindu nationalist currents. In reality, out of 1.2 billion Indians, Christians of all confessions make up little more than 2 percent. And they are not expanding, but slowly declining: from 2.6 percent in 1971 to 2.3 percent in 2001.

But at the same time, Christians run one of every five elementary schools in India, one of every four houses for widows and orphans, and one out of three houses for lepers and AIDS patients. Mother Teresa of Calcutta is the nation’s pride. Except among fanatical Hinduists.

In fact, the latest explosion of anti-Christian violence that took place in Orissa did not even spare the sisters and brothers of Mother Teresa. Last Christmas three of their houses in the district of Khandhamai were attacked by an enraged mob armed with swords, axes, iron rods, and clubs. The sisters and brothers had to flee into the woods. The aggressors vented themselves by devastating the houses and chapels.

This wave of aggression against Christians began on Christmas eve and continued during the following days in various locations, with attacks on churches, the burning of houses, and destruction of shops.

Cardinal Telesphore Toppo, archbishop of Ranchi, after a visit to the stricken zones, described what he had seen to the agency “Asia News” in this way:

“An expanse of ashes is what remains in the areas stricken by anti-Christian violence at Christmas in Orissa. It was diabolical; churches desecrated and houses burned. The villages upon which the extremist Hindu violence fell are today a vast cremation ground.”

Raphael Cheenath, the archbishop of Cuttack and Bhubaneswar, the diocese hardest hit, in an assessment of the attacks released at the end of January numbered the victims at 6 dead and 5,000 homeless, and the destruction at 70 churches, 600 houses, 6 convents, and 3 seminaries. The Indian bishops’ conference gave the same report in a memorandum delivered to the national commission for human rights.

In his report, archbishop Cheenath points the finger at those whom he maintains are the promoters of aggression against Christians: the ideologues of intolerant Hinduism, ensconced in the group Vishva Hindu Parishad, and the members of the high castes, who are unfavorable toward the social advancement of the Dalits, the poorest, the outcast and “impure,” many of whom are converts to Christianity.
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hi
yes our mother mary has won the victory for us .four things that makes me to honour. 1.the birth of Jesus our saviour 2. her been virgin 3.her immaculate conception 4.that she is favour by God. thanks
 
**BREAKING NEWS: Hindu Militants Threaten New Attacks In Orissa **
Monday, 25 February 2008 (11 hours ago)
read it here
bosnewslife.com/asia-pacific/india/3465-breaking-news-hindu-militants-threaten-new
TRIBAL CHRISTIANS
Dalit and tribal Christians reportedly preparing to flee back to the jungle, where thousands of other believers, including priests and nuns, were hiding in previous weeks in the wake of the December violence.

Tensions have increased following the recent visit of Orissa’s governor who visited allegedly persecuted Christians, upsetting Hindu militants. Eyewitnesses said that soon after the February 8 visit, “Hindu radicals blocked all the roads in Barkhama” area and did not “allow police and government officials to leave” for four hours.

An eye-witness, apparently speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was “total confusion of law and order.” Besides Hindus at least three Dalit Christians from Baminigaon area in Orissa were detained by local authorities, apparently under pressure by local Hindus.

MORE VIOLENCE

News of the tensions in Orissa, came shortly after elsewhere in India some 125 Hindu militants reportedly attacked one of the oldest and best-known churches in Madhya Pradesh state, Masihi Mandir Church, Sunday, February 24, beating one of the fleeing members.

The assault followed an attack in Kosmi area of the state Friday, February 22, when a Hindu militants dragged at least four people from a home where Christians were meeting and beat them with bamboo poles, rods and belts, news reports said.

Hindu groups have stepped up their attacks, angered over the spread of Christianity in India, where most people are Hindus, rights groups say.
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The message from the Artchbishop which was received by mail, detailing the current situation faced by the Christians as of yesterday.
Dear friends,
I am extremely glad that you want to express your sympathy and concern for the Christians in Kandhamal where a serious attack on Christians and Christian institutions took place.

At present there is no open attack or clashes. There is an atmosphere of calmness. But the atmosphere is tense and fear is lurking the hearts of the Christians and the whole church in Orissa.

Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati who is the main conspirator in the whole episode is freely moving, conducting secret meetings, and planning, we do not know what. So there is fear. The serpent may strike any time. The government still does not allow us to distribute relief and take up rehabilitation. This is a very sinister intention masterminded by Sangh Parivar [the principal hindu fundamentalist group] who wants to stop conversion, all developmental activities of the mission by which the SC/ST [Underprivileged castes and tribes, also called Scheduled castes and tribes] are being liberated from the clutches of the upper caste and to force the Christians to be reconverted into Hinduism “Gharvapasi” [literally translated return to your house a hindu right wing reconversion programme for Christians –coercion used to force families to become Hindu].

With this embargo – Sangh Parivar and the Government which has surrendered itself to the pressure tactics of Sangh Parivar, hope to isolate Christians from the Church and bring them closer to Hinduism.

The Government is giving relief only through Red Cross. But it is not sufficient, it does not reach to the people who are still in the jungle either because their house is destroyed or not yet rebuilt, or they are afraid of being arrested.

Priests, religious, hostel children are back into their places but living with the minimum. Pastoral and other activities are being carried out though minimum.
Govt. has announced an interim subsidy of Rs. 2 lakhs (INR200000) for the hostels, dispensary and school. But even after 23 days of the announcement I have not got any money in my hand. But we may get it soon.

We are planning to take up the reconstruction of the damaged institutions (church, convents, hostels, minor seminary, dispensaries, etc.) as soon as the embargo is lifted. When it will happen I do not know. Since it is imposed because of the ulterior intention, it may take more time to remove it. Then we all believe that God has his won time. He is the only one who can write straight between crooked lines…

Our three teams of lawyers are helping our people to file FIR [also called a first information report a formal complaint with the police]and get those arrested out on bail. It is great help to the illiterate people in Kandhamal. Most of our Catholics who are arrested are out or bail. The case will be taken up later. The police usually make arrests both sides.

I had a chance to speak to the Bishops in Jamshedpur who had come for CBCI meeting (Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India). Afterwards we had some discussion and they have agreed to help and plan some strategy how to face this fast growing phenomenon of communalism.

Now there are no restriction on visitors to visit Kandhamal district. Our priests and religious visit them to give them some support. The missionaries in the affected area are picking up courage and engaging themselves into normal pastoral and evangelical activities…
Kindly help us in your prayers. I assure you of my prayers and the prayers of my people.
With best wishes I remain.
+Raphael Cheenath, SVD
Archbishop of Cuttack-Bhubaneswar
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