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ConcernedConvert
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You just mentioned wanting to check out a non denominational church. Just didn’t know if that had to do with the Catholic Churches teachings on the matter.
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Hope1960
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To be clear, this non-denominational Church takes Genesis literally, Catholics are free to believe that it is or isn’t literal. I’m not interested in this church because of any Catholic teachings.
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ConcernedConvert
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Yeah I get that.
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Elf01
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Why do you expect us to help you believe something that Catholics are not obliged to believe that you are going to use to leave the Church if we succeed?
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mVitus
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The most common approach, at least so far as I’ve seen, is to just say Genesis is literalistic history and that if science doesn’t match it then science is wrong. Some may even read Answers in Genesis to try scientifically debunking evolution. (Never mind that AiG has more holes than Swiss cheese.) Others use philosophy. It just varies.
As for why they have so many members, Christians historically didn’t accept evolution because it hadn’t yet been presented. I’d also say that when you’re Sola Scriptura, taking Genesis’ early chapters as historical truth makes it easier to say which interpretation is rught or wrong. Plus, being cut off from Church Fathers who had a more figurative approach, you’re more likely to think it was always read as historical truth. Add in America’s Protestant and Pioneer background (much more chance for little churches to develop in a vacuum) and it makes says why Fundamentalism spread.
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goout
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Can you? No.goout:
Could you reconcile the above claim with what the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches?
Thanks for quoting the CCC.
What I said was…God is not provable by science. And that is true. and that is perfectly in harmony with the CCC passage.
Please listen again: God is not provable by science.
You took my words, constructed a straw man of assumption, assuming that I was overreaching and that I don’t understand the Church’s teaching on the relationship between faith and reason. And you used my post to make your point.
And this illustrates the reason I rarely come here anymore.
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vsedriver
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evolution only proposes a theory for how our bodies were formed. It can’t say when our souls were formed. Personally I believe that evolution is how God created life on the world but at some point in time he ‘breathed’ spiritual life into only of his creation, Adam and Eve and that is the point where they became fully human.
So God designed evolution doesn’t contradict Biblical creation.
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Hope1960
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Well, based on the number of people on CAF who take a literal approach to Genesis, I assumed I could get their POV to answer my question.
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Hope1960
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Your uncharitablity is a pattern to your threads.
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angel12
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You asked if others felt the same way. If you didn’t want an honest answer, you should have said so. Or better yet, not ask the question in the first place.
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Hope1960
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No, I asked if he speaks for everyone.
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whatistrue
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No. It is called the Theory of Universal Gravitation. “Law of Gravity” is a popular expression, not a scientific one.
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rcwitness
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I won’t argue. But isn’t that more about how gravity works as opposed to the reality of gravity?
It’s not as though gravity might not exist, right?
It’s not as though gravity might not exist, right?
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PennyinCanada
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These are my thoughts, you can take it or leave it.
I have no problem with evolution. It’s like looking at an acorn, a small tree, a huge tree. It’s a natural process with the passage of time. Those 3 things do not look like each other and yet there is a complicated genetic code there that they follow.
I believe in an actual Adam and Eve. To me, it’s the only thing that makes sense. The reason is that the human person, with it’s combined organs, functions well as a living unit. The kidneys have to work, the liver has to work, the heart, the brain, the lungs, and the reproductive system, they all have to work and do their job, or there cannot be a second generation. There is no using up 100 thousand years to get something right because a body is a living thing. Something goes sideways, the person dies. How the liver works is complicated and amazing. Same with an eyeball. And the brain. There must have been a Someone who came up with the design and put it together. Adam and Eve are the only thing that makes sense.
It’s the same with the planet and it’s ecosystems. Everything in balance, working in harmony with life and death, and the variety that is found is astounding. From the molecular level, to what we can see with our eyes, to the universe. Everything is so very much in order, working like a fine watch. It’s a ridiculous idea to me that someone could believe that random molecules bumped together and some how came up with this order and harmony, working like a well oiled machine, humming along over the thousands of years. I see the amazingness of creation and know that someone designed it. It’s as obvious as looking at a watch and knowing there’s a watch maker.
I know many people who will look at any other explanation, but they will not look at that one, or consider it. They will do all kinds of mental acrobatics to get around the obvious, and they will call it science. That is a self imposed blindness. There have been many great minds over the centuries that advanced science, that also believed in God and had faith. These 2 things are not incompatible.
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PennyinCanada
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Looking at the human liver…
The liver is the largest solid organ and the largest gland in the human body. It carries out over 500 essential tasks.
…It can regenerate completely, as long as a minimum of 25 percent of the tissue remains. One of the most impressive aspects of this feat is that the liver can regrow to its previous size and ability without any loss of function during the growth process.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/
500 essential tasks that they know of. Isn’t that the most incredible thing? How on earth did the first human being live long enough to reproduce without a perfectly working liver?
Efficient, effective, amazing. Wonderfully designed. Engineered.
The liver is the largest solid organ and the largest gland in the human body. It carries out over 500 essential tasks.
…It can regenerate completely, as long as a minimum of 25 percent of the tissue remains. One of the most impressive aspects of this feat is that the liver can regrow to its previous size and ability without any loss of function during the growth process.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/
500 essential tasks that they know of. Isn’t that the most incredible thing? How on earth did the first human being live long enough to reproduce without a perfectly working liver?
Efficient, effective, amazing. Wonderfully designed. Engineered.
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bobperk
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Just wondering what would settle this question for you. Are you looking for secular scholarly scientific studies that show we came from one set of parents 6000 years ago? You won’t find any.
We are more that just biological animals. I believe that God did indeed make Adam and Eve directly, as adults, in a state of grace. I truly believe these were the first human beings made in God’s image, body and soul. But they would have been patterned after other similar beings. How they populated the earth from there has some element of faith and mystery to it. Science does not detect the soul, it does not detect God’s image, it would not detect Christ’s divinity. We take some things on faith. There is more to man than matter.
I suggest with great charity that you stop worrying about all of these scholarly and scientific studies because they seem to cause you great restlessness and anxiety.
We are more that just biological animals. I believe that God did indeed make Adam and Eve directly, as adults, in a state of grace. I truly believe these were the first human beings made in God’s image, body and soul. But they would have been patterned after other similar beings. How they populated the earth from there has some element of faith and mystery to it. Science does not detect the soul, it does not detect God’s image, it would not detect Christ’s divinity. We take some things on faith. There is more to man than matter.
I suggest with great charity that you stop worrying about all of these scholarly and scientific studies because they seem to cause you great restlessness and anxiety.
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Hope1960
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Do you mean that similar beings were around before Adam and Eve?
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bobperk
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There could have been. The “scientific” evidence has at least collected skeletons of beings very similar to humans anatomically which are dated millions of years old. But the evidence for developed human culture, language, etc. is much more recent than that.
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Aloysium
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The only person who can convince us that Genesis is factual is the Holy Spirit. Without His grace, it’s all a juggling of ideas and hypotheticals. Not that the exercise is for naught; the struggle for the truth demonstrates our resolve and worthiness to possess that knowledge.
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cathapolo
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A few good books on this topic I would recommend are the following:
A Compendium of the Doctrines of Genesis - Br. Charles Madden, OFM. - See:
The Realist Guide to Religion and Science - By Fr. Paul Robinson, - See:
therealistguide.com
A Compendium of the Doctrines of Genesis - Br. Charles Madden, OFM. - See:
A Compendium of the Doctrines of Genesis 1-11
In his foreword to Fr. Victor Warkulwiz's work, The Doctrines of Genesis 1-11, Bishop Robert A. Vasa wrote: Today the Catholic Church has well-developed theologies of redemption and sanctification but no well-developed theology of creation. That is because so many of her influential thinkers...
books.google.com.au
The Realist Guide to Religion and Science - By Fr. Paul Robinson, - See:
The Realist Guide to Religion and Science
When peoples and civilizations, like our own, become irrational, it is usually religion or science that are at fault.
therealistguide.com
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