Convince Me The Biblical Version is Fact

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Got it. I’m just going to caution you to be careful with that thinking. There are Chiropractors and physicians out there who have done horrible things, but I still see a Chiropractor and physician because my health depends on it.

My parents have also treated me very poorly and I have a strained relationship with them, but I still value parenthood though there are bad parents out there.
 
I haven’t even made the decision to leave the Church. I’ve just been thinking about maybe checking out that other one.
 
I’d also like the contemporary pop/rock music at the non-denominational church. Tonight at my church we sang How Great Thou Art to the piano. Not my taste. At all.
 
Hope1960 said:
I’d also like the contemporary pop/rock music at the non-denominational church. Tonight at my church we sang How Great Thou Art to the piano. Not my taste. At all.
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Is that really more important than receiving Jesus in the Eucharist?
 
My understanding is, the Bible doesn’t rule out the evolution of non-human creatures, but Genesis 2:7 rules out the possibility of human evolution - ie, Adam was not the result of evolution and could not have been the offspring of any pre-existing creature, but was created instantaneously from inanimate matter (“the dust of the ground”).
 
angel12 said:
Is that really more important than receiving Jesus in the Eucharist?
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I love receiving the Eucharist, which is why I haven’t visited the non-denominational Church yet, but I really hate old fashioned hymns.
 
Even though I agree with you that the hymns we use are not to everyone’s liking, it does not justify leaving the Catholic faith or trying to substitute the Mass with a non-denominational service.

Mass is not for our entertainment or about how it makes us feel, it is to worship God. So when I am in Mass, and I don’t like the hymn, and I don’t feel like singing, I look up at the crucifix with our Lord on it and think to myself, “well, He went through that for me, so I think I can sing this for Him.” We need to humble ourselves at Mass!

Outside of Mass, at home, in the car, while working, etc. would be the right time to enjoy Christian rock music. Some of it can be uplifting, but again, not a reason to leave Mass.
 
We are off topic, with the possible exception of the video in Post #136, which I still need to watch.

So, people, convince me that the Biblical version of human origins is fact.
 
Hope1960 said:
From what I’ve researched online, very few highly educated people, (scientists etc.) agree with the Biblical version of the origin of life or the origin of species and agree with Evolution.
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Sorry, Hope1960, that I could not actively engage in your thread because of my limited time. But as a comment to the quoted part of your first post, here is a link to the scientists who do not agree with Darwinian evolution

Apparently, they are not as few as we are made to believe. The list was made in 2016 and does not even include those who did not sign up.
 
rom said:
Sorry, Hope1960, that I could not actively engage in your thread because of my limited time. But as a comment to the quoted part of your first post, here is a link to the scientists who do not agree with Darwinian evolution

Apparently, they are not as few as we are made to believe. The list was made in 2016 and does not even include those who did not sign up.
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Wow! That’s a lot of really smart people. Do you know if that means they believe in the literal Biblical creation account?
 
Hope1960 said:
Do you know if that means they believe in the literal Biblical creation account?
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Not necessarily. Many of them reject that form of Evolution that leaves everything to chance. Just like me, many of them believe that if evolution occurred, then God was behind it, rather than out of it. When it comes to the creation of the first man and woman, I believe that they were created in a special way. I can’t prove this, of course, but I don’t think anyone could prove the opposite either. I can’t believe that Adam or Eve was having sexual intercourse with beasts before or after they met each other. Remember: the Bible said that they were originally in Paradise talking to God. Adam and Eve also knew each other already before they were put into their miserable condition as individuals starting a new race of individuals. Language was a gift granted to them from Paradise. In fact, this is how I distinguish the first humans from animals. Humans had a clear language from the start, which not even the Neanderthals possess. You know humans are on earth when you see evidence of art and language. Brute animals use signals to communicate fear or to warn their herd of impending danger. But that is not the kind of language that humans use. Brute animals also use tools, but not the kind that men use. Have evolutionists provided evidence of sewn clothing made by any of the alleged ancestors of man? The difference in intelligence between men and brute animals is one of kind and not one of degree. Perhaps 10,000 years ago both men and dogs watch the birds fly. Today, dogs still look up and watch the birds fly, but men are already flying faster than the birds. See the difference?
 
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bobperk said:
Outside of Mass, at home, in the car, while working, etc. would be the right time to enjoy Christian rock music.
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I agree! The Sacrifice of the Mass is the re-enactment of Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary. Would one want to be singing rock when someone is dying on the cross?

For exactly this reason the Mass requires solemnity and appropriate music. Many think that we should be worshiping God with jubilation and dancing, and they reference David rejoicing and dancing in the Lord. These people forget that David danced in the streets, not before the Holy of Holies. He has strict rules of decorum inside God’s temple.
 
My favorite quotes.

“We’re not being trained to get up there and baptize extraterrestrials before the Mormons get there.”

And

Ham: Are you God?
Maer: *pauses* No.
 
rom said:
But as a comment to the quoted part of your first post, here is a link to the scientists who do not agree with Darwinian evolution
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26 pages isn’t a lot to be honest when you consider just how many scientists there are.

For references, here’s a list of scientists that support evolution that rivals the list you posted, except whereas the other list takes any scientist, being named Steve is a prerequisite to make it on to this list.

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List of Steves | National Center for Science Education

Meet the Steves As of May 22, 2024, 1497 Steves have signed the statement. Will you be the next Steve?
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(And an FAQ for any questions. Project Steve Frequently Asked Questions | National Center for Science Education )
Edgar said:
but Genesis 2:7 rules out the possibility of human evolution
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Humani Generis allows for the idea of man coming from pre-existing matter. In other words, human evolution.
rom said:
I can’t believe that Adam or Eve was having sexual intercourse with beasts before or after they met each other.
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As someone with an evolutionary take, I can’t either. Post-Fall, perhaps but pre-Fall, certainly not. So I’m with you on that.
 
mVitus said:
26 pages isn’t a lot to be honest when you consider just how many scientists there are.

For references, here’s a list of scientists that support evolution that rivals the list you posted, except whereas the other list takes any scientist, being named Steve is a prerequisite to make it on to this list.
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Wowza! I thought Rom’s list was long, but compared to yours, it’s short. That’s a lot of smart people who support evolution.
 
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So, for religions that believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis, how do they reconcile that with science and how do they get so many members?
Besides the non-denominational church I’ve been thinking about, we have probably 5 other churches in my area that believe the same, including a large Lutheran church.
 
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goout said:
I have to say, as a scientist, I know of literally no other scientist…not one, who believes his science proves that God doesn’t exist. It’s merely a theological conclusion that some might arrive at. Some do some don’t, but any half baked scientist knows he will be laughed out of the universe if he tries to prove God doesn’t exist.
It’s a leap of faith, both ways.
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Well, no. Those aren’t the only two options. There is metaphysics and reason.

Science, itself, has to be based on some form of logic. Otherwise there would be no way to make sense of our observations. That is why theories are proposed that are integrally sound and supported or debunked by observation and experimentation.

The most basic principles of philosophy (metaphysics) are the basic grounds from which good science is constructed.
 
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