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Obviously, this is a huge story that many people are watching. I think there was another thread, I didn’t see it so I will just set this one up if anyone has any comment.

My personal rant, is I’m a meat eater. Very good for anyone who doesn’t. But the cuisine of China, a lot of it is great and I’ve known Chinese Buddhists who are vegetarians. Good.

But those markets over there, bats, snakes, they are pointing at a few possible causes of this breakdown. All of those pigs died too, and we have been trying to block pork products.

Enough said, this potentially is a big problem. They are closing off cities, 8 of them so far. Cities and I saw in one case, a county.

 
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WHO has not called it a pandemic but I think they will sooner than later.

US is screening in 5 airports.

What many here in the US probably don’t think about…
The infrastructure in towns and cities broke down during the pandemic of 1918 because so many were sick, dead, too afraid to go out, exhausted, etc.

100 years later the picture is much different. I suspect lawlessness would rule the day in the event of a deadly pandemic.
 
Here’s why I’m not worried:

Every year,
  • On average, between 12,000 - 61,000 people die from the flu in the US.
  • Globally, between 291,000 - 646,000 people die from influenza.
SARS, which the current virus is related to, resulted in 8,098 reported cases and only 774 deaths.

These statistics are far below anything even approaching a true pandemic. The 1918 Influenza killed an estimated 20 - 50 million people globally and at least 675,000 Americans.

However these plagues all bow to the greatest scourge known to humanity. During the 20th century alone, it is estimated that Smallpox was responsible for 300 - 500 million deaths. In the early 1950s an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world each year.
 
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stimated 20 - 50 million
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That number is low.
At least 50 million died and some estimate as many as 100 million.
This happened in a relatively short period of time. That is the problem with something like SARs and Coronavirus (unnamed at this point). They move rapidly…fast burner.
 
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South China Morning Post is the newspaper of record in Hong Kong, I am told. the above is a good explainer.

There is a hysteria with viruses. I am sorry for the victims. At some point though, the fears may be realized and there seem to be some indications this might become worse.

I thought I also heard the WHO (World Health Organziation) was actually a split vote, even 50/50 on whether to declare it an emergency. So, they didn’t today but may.
 
Ugh…that meat market/slaughter picture in the article. 🤢

The number of confirmed was higher tonight. My guess is that the number of unconfirmed is much greater.
 
This is bad and going to get worse I fear. Long incubation period where infected are asymptomatic but can still spread disease. Many rural areas in China and probably large numbers of unreported and untracked cases. Of the tracked cases there are more dead than recovered so this virus has a very high mortality rate. Comparing this infection to influenza is like apples to oranges. This virus is behaving like a dream biological weapon. Long asymptomatic but infectious phase, high mortality rate. It can spread widely while undetected and then large groups of people fall sick simultaneously overwhelming the health care system and community infrastructure. Did you see the roads being bricked off and torn up in China?

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However these plagues all bow to the greatest scourge known to humanity. During the 20th century alone, it is estimated that Smallpox was responsible for 300 - 500 million deaths. In the early 1950s an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world each year.
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Was Smallpox an epidemic in the U.S.? Back in the 1700s, a vaccine was developed for it, made from the less deadly Cowpox. By the 1950s, surely the Smallpox vaccine was available in the U.S., though it might not have been available elsewhere in the world. Were people just not getting vaccinated?

An even greater threat in the U.S. in the early 1950s was Polio, before Salk developed a vaccine for it. I recall our second or third-grade classroom going on a field trip to see up close an “iron lung”, which had a mannequin in it. In those days, that’s what they used for patients who had developed respiratory crippling from Polio. It really wasn’t very effective, and didn’t cure anything.
 
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Ugh…that meat market/slaughter picture in the article. 🤢
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Not sure why the ugh, but this may help"

Bat Soup Didn’t Cause the Wuhan Virus
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Didn’t help at all. From the article…
And that’s where China really does have issues. The country’s food safety standards are notoriously bad, despite numerous government-led initiatives to improve them. Food scandals are common, and diarrhea and food poisoning are a distressingly regular experience. Markets, like Huanan, that aren’t licensed for live species nevertheless sell them. Workers are undertrained in basic hygiene techniques like glove-wearing and hand-washing. Dangerous additives are commonly used to increase production.
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The Vatican has donated 700,000 face masks to China
The masks were paid for by the Vatican and Chinese Christian communities in Italy
China slams the Trump administration for doing nothing to help fight the coronavirus
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It sounds like a bad situation, I’m only using confirmed reports.

Some sources say this mainly affects those with weak immune systems to begin with.

Christian charity is great, 700,000 masks but from what I am reading, they have a number of cities that are big, as big as New York City like Wuhan (if not bigger) to their huge mega-cities which I think Shanghai would be called. Over 24 million.
 
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dvdjs said:
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Donkey:
Ugh…that meat market/slaughter picture in the article. 🤢
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Not sure why the ugh, but this may help"
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This may help you…
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  1. used to express disgust or horror.
    “Ugh! What’s this disgusting object?”
It was probably the unsanitary and downright dirty appearance of the conditions in which peoples food is being prepared… 🤔 🤷‍♂️
 
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