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pepipop
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Could you link to such bizarre claims. Anything I’ve noted on this forum in relation to Russia is factual and backed by evidence.
Crimeans Who Ushered in the Russians Now Have to Live With Their Choice
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pepipop
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Exactly that type of ‘unreal’ news astounds me too.
Visiting forums of people living in Ukraine/Crimea offers a lot more information. There is no MSM reporting of local news, in E Ukraine, as to how the UA is running rampart there and locals say they are completely controlled by the UA.
Last week drunk soldiers driving an armoured vehicle, ran down an aunt, baby and her 8 yr old niece on the side of the road, with the 8 yr old killed on the spot.
*globalvoicesonline.org/2015/03/20/8-year-old-ukrainian-girl-is-wars-latest-victim/
In a terrible tragedy on Monday, March 16, an armored vehicle ran onto a sidewalk in the eastern Ukrainian town of Konstantinovka, hitting three pedestrians. An eight-year old girl named Polina was killed immediately, while her aunt and infant cousin were rushed to a hospital.
Responding to news of the tragedy, Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko stated:
This case has been taken under the personal control of the Chief Military Prosecutor and the President of Ukraine. The leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine expresses its deepest condolences to the victims and guarantees that those responsible for this tragedy will be punished—both the soldiers themselves and their commanders.
Seemingly spooked by the unrest, Ukrainian lawmaker and law enforcement advisor Anton Gerashchenko issued a severe warning to the rioters:
If anyone in Konstantinovka takes up arms to challenge law and order and the Ukrainian authorities, using this accident to incite popular unrest, then one warning shot will first be fired, and then the authorities will shoot to kill. If there is no time for a warning shot then authorities will shoot to kill immediately. No one will be allowed to take up arms against the Ukrainian government. All necessary actions, reinforcements, and orders have been sent to Konstantinovka, where the situation will be normalized and will remain normalized.*
But the MSM has ruled what version of the news the world gets to ‘know’ for decades - but not anymore as obviously with the internet and social media sites, especially video evidence , they have limited control.
Hence Kerry’s and the EU’s recent remarks about having Russian speaking news stations, or getting the sway of news back to their side
, is laughable - they now realise they’re rapidly losing control of the global public’s thinking.
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Son_of_Niall
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Why don’t you just come out and say what you mean?
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Son_of_Niall
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Are you calling us trolls?
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Son_of_Niall
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Son_of_Niall
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I must have missed this one.
Do you seriously believe the Russians care about a Catholic apologetic site in San Diego?
Seriously?
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JW55
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The points you make are correct. I thought the purpose of a forum was to share various views. If we don’t have different views, it makes for a very short thread. I too respect people who have a view different than mine whether I understand it or not. As far as I know, no one I saw on these forums is a troll. I believe in seeing both sides of an issue because in most cases neither side is completely right, or completely wrong. If somewhere along the way, one has their mind changed by what they read, that is their choice. I don’t view those who disagree with me on here as the enemy. I would assume since this is a Catholic forum that most people on here are either Catholic, discerning Catholicism, or share at least some of our Catholic beliefs and values, or they would just look for a pure political forum.
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Son_of_Niall
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JW55
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Yes, both Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul share many of the views of those on here about the Ukrainian-Russia situation. Mr. Buchanan is a very dedicated Catholic and Mr. Paul is a what I would see is a very moral individual seeking true freedom. I believe both just want to see a peaceful world and don’t happen to always agree with the mainstream political direction in the way to achieve it. I think both are willing to look outside the sideboards of conventional politics for pragmatic answers. I wouldn’t consider them kooks or outlandish I would hope that because someone shares those some of those views they would not be considered a kook or a troll.
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pepipop
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Klemens_Hadwig
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Count me in as a Russian Fifth Columnist!
But wait, are Poles not the faithful servants of the western liberators? How can a Pole be sympathetic to Russia?
First, I must clarify, that despite my opinions and knowledge of the Russian language and culture, I have no concrete connexions to Russia, be it through family, significant acquaintances, or employment.
However, as a Pole, and more broadly a Pole who is unafraid of acknowledging his Slavic blood, Russia represents the last hope for independence from the west. When I was younger, I erroneously believed that Poland was independent. That all changed after 2003-4, when everything was literally being transformed before my very eyes (infrastructure, cars, daily articles, etc.), into the vision dictated by the European Union.
Poland is a small country. Many Poles, either through upbringing or other reasons do not seem to accept this. They are stuck with a subconscious attachment to a pre-Partition notion of Poland as a significant European power. Thus, they blindly follow a culturally and of course politically contrarian route against Russia. Political opposition to the misdeeds of the past century are quite appropriate, but a zero-sum mentality hardly improves relations, and really is a manifestation of an unfortunate short-sidedness. What I am getting at is that Poland, for better or for worse, has an extensive shared (common) history with Russia. Thus, numerous commonalities do exist, regardless of cause.
A good analogy for the Polish-Russian relationship would be two feuding neighbours, wronged by each other in many ways (one perhaps bigger and more culpable), but who nevertheless must unite to face a land developer whose project would end not only the feud, but also that over which the feud began.
Thus, Poland has a choice of alignment to a large power. One option is the historically foreign, as well as culturally destructive, anti-religious west. The other choice is for Poland to align with Russia, which would reflect the cultural ties, and would perhaps spare Poland from the west’s constant attempts at global homogenisation (consumerism, saecularism).
Lastly, I cannot believe that it was for the results following the changes in 1999-2003 that Poland produced its great martyrs and a saintly pope.
Forgive the ramble, but if a non-western, illiberal opinion already constitutes a heresy, I wish to be declared the foremost among heretics.
But wait, are Poles not the faithful servants of the western liberators?
How can a Pole be sympathetic to Russia?First, I must clarify, that despite my opinions and knowledge of the Russian language and culture, I have no concrete connexions to Russia, be it through family, significant acquaintances, or employment.
However, as a Pole, and more broadly a Pole who is unafraid of acknowledging his Slavic blood, Russia represents the last hope for independence from the west. When I was younger, I erroneously believed that Poland was independent. That all changed after 2003-4, when everything was literally being transformed before my very eyes (infrastructure, cars, daily articles, etc.), into the vision dictated by the European Union.
Poland is a small country. Many Poles, either through upbringing or other reasons do not seem to accept this. They are stuck with a subconscious attachment to a pre-Partition notion of Poland as a significant European power. Thus, they blindly follow a culturally and of course politically contrarian route against Russia. Political opposition to the misdeeds of the past century are quite appropriate, but a zero-sum mentality hardly improves relations, and really is a manifestation of an unfortunate short-sidedness. What I am getting at is that Poland, for better or for worse, has an extensive shared (common) history with Russia. Thus, numerous commonalities do exist, regardless of cause.
A good analogy for the Polish-Russian relationship would be two feuding neighbours, wronged by each other in many ways (one perhaps bigger and more culpable), but who nevertheless must unite to face a land developer whose project would end not only the feud, but also that over which the feud began.
Thus, Poland has a choice of alignment to a large power. One option is the historically foreign, as well as culturally destructive, anti-religious west. The other choice is for Poland to align with Russia, which would reflect the cultural ties, and would perhaps spare Poland from the west’s constant attempts at global homogenisation (consumerism, saecularism).
Lastly, I cannot believe that it was for the results following the changes in 1999-2003 that Poland produced its great martyrs and a saintly pope.
Forgive the ramble, but if a non-western, illiberal opinion already constitutes a heresy, I wish to be declared the foremost among heretics.
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pepipop
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hahahaCount me in as a Russian Fifth Columnist!
But wait, are Poles not the faithful servants of the western liberators?
First, I must clarify, that despite my opinions and knowledge of the Russian language and culture, I have no concrete connexions to Russia, be it through family, significant acquaintances, or employment.
However, as a Pole, and more broadly a Pole who is unafraid of acknowledging his Slavic blood, Russia represents the last hope for independence from the west. When I was younger, I erroneously believed that Poland was independent. That all changed after 2003-4, when everything was literally being transformed before my very eyes (infrastructure, cars, daily articles, etc.), into the vision dictated by the European Union.
Poland is a small country. Many Poles, either through upbringing or other reasons do not seem to accept this. They are stuck with a subconscious attachment to a pre-Partition notion of Poland as a significant European power. Thus, they blindly follow a culturally and of course politically contrarian route against Russia. Political opposition to the misdeeds of the past century are quite appropriate, but a zero-sum mentality hardly improves relations, and really is a manifestation of an unfortunate short-sidedness. What I am getting at is that Poland, for better or for worse, has an extensive shared (common) history with Russia. Thus, numerous commonalities do exist, regardless of cause.
A good analogy for the Polish-Russian relationship would be two feuding neighbours, wronged by each other in many ways (one perhaps bigger and more culpable), but who nevertheless must unite to face a land developer whose project would end not only the feud, but also that over which the feud began.
Thus, Poland has a choice of alignment to a large power. One option is the historically foreign, as well as culturally destructive, anti-religious west. The other choice is for Poland to align with Russia, which would reflect the cultural ties, and would perhaps spare Poland from the west’s constant attempts at global homogenisation (consumerism, saecularism).
Lastly, I cannot believe that it was for the results following the changes in 1999-2003 that Poland produced its great martyrs and a saintly pope.
Forgive the ramble, but if a non-western, illiberal opinion already constitutes a heresy, I wish to be declared the foremost among heretics.
I have Polish neighbours and there is a week long Polish-Irish festival, taking pace this week in Ireland!
*Polish-Irish festival celebrates special relationship
Week-long event honours the 150,000 members of the Polish community in Ireland
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irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/polish-irish-festival-celebrates-special-relationship-1.2147454
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josie_L
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No, I’m just attesting to the veracity of the article because I have encountered such trolls on internet forums.
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josie_L
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It would be really nice if people focussed on the situation in the Ukraine, i.e., Russian troops have infiltrated the Eastern Ukraine, and are enabling the rebels despite the fact that the majority of people living there wish to remain in the Ukraine.
p.s. Russian military leaders wearing insignia are present in the video, as are the Red Cross, Ukrainian soldiers, and other international observers.
There is a video attached to this.
p.s. Russian military leaders wearing insignia are present in the video, as are the Red Cross, Ukrainian soldiers, and other international observers.
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pepipop
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Excellent!
I didn’t know about either festival, I just happened to hear advertising/discussion about the Polish/Irish festival on the radio the other day.
I didn’t know about either festival, I just happened to hear advertising/discussion about the Polish/Irish festival on the radio the other day.
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pepipop
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I can post as many links of Eastern Ukrainians being harassed by the UA, and also from last year by the right sector groups. No, not all wish to be with Russia but the separatists represent those that do. Not all Catholics in NI wanted a united Ireland.
There are also numerous documentaries and videos - one recent one being an American who visited Crimea to see for himself, interviewing local people and they were all delighted to be with Russia.
Here is a report of how the UA has tortured Eastern Ukrainian residents, in Donbass.
**War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture of the Donbass region residents.
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democracyfund.ru/userfiles/War%20crimes%20of%20the%20armed%20forces%20and%20security%20forces%20of%20Ukraine.pdf
*The information collected by the Foundation for Democracy Studies gives grounds to believe that the Ukrainian armed forces, the National Guard and other military units of the Ministry of the Interior of Ukraine, as well as the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) systematically and on purpose violate Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights that reads, ‘No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.’
The extent to which torture is being used and the fact that this is done systematically prove that torture is an intentional strategy of the said institutions, authorized by their leadership. Commenting on their practice of committing torture, Liliy Rodionova, deputy head of the Committee for Refugees and Prisoners of War (Donetsk), who is personally engaged in the exchange of prisoners, says the following about the prisoners that the Ukrainian side releases, ‘Almost everyone released comes back with their ribs and legs
broken and teeth ripped out. There is not a single person with no marks of beating. They use pliers to rip out teeth and beat
Lately, they have been seizing ordinary people, not members of the self-defence forces.
They use gunpowder and electroshock to torture people, they brand them. Some were thrown into a pit with dead bodies, crushed with a shovel bucket, had a smouldering iron stuck in their mouth.*
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Son_of_Niall
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YOU, Darryl, and Follow Christ are the ones who brought up Kremlin internet trolls, not us. I just found it amusing that you associated a forum glitch with a Kremlin plot.
But here you right, back to the OP.
Of which you’re wrong BTW.
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josie_L
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I’m not sure, ask the trolls.
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josie_L
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And that’s wrong, however, there are Russian troops in the Eastern Ukraine, i.e., this is not a civil war, but a foreign invasion.I can post as many links of Eastern Ukrainians being harassed by the UA, and also from last year by the right sector groups. No, not all wish to be with Russia but the separatists represent those that do. Not all Catholics in NI wanted a united Ireland.
There are also numerous documentaries and videos - one recent one being an American who visited Crimea to see for himself, interviewing local people and they were all delighted to be with Russia.
Here is a report of how the UA has tortured Eastern Ukrainian residents, in Donbass.
**War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture of the Donbass region residents.
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democracyfund.ru/userfiles/War%20crimes%20of%20the%20armed%20forces%20and%20security%20forces%20of%20Ukraine.pdf
*The information collected by the Foundation for Democracy Studies gives grounds to believe that the Ukrainian armed forces, the National Guard and other military units of the Ministry of the Interior of Ukraine, as well as the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) systematically and on purpose violate Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights that reads, ‘No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.’
The extent to which torture is being used and the fact that this is done systematically prove that torture is an intentional strategy of the said institutions, authorized by their leadership. Commenting on their practice of committing torture, Liliy Rodionova, deputy head of the Committee for Refugees and Prisoners of War (Donetsk), who is personally engaged in the exchange of prisoners, says the following about the prisoners that the Ukrainian side releases, ‘Almost everyone released comes back with their ribs and legs
broken and teeth ripped out. There is not a single person with no marks of beating. They use pliers to rip out teeth and beat
Lately, they have been seizing ordinary people, not members of the self-defence forces.
They use gunpowder and electroshock to torture people, they brand them. Some were thrown into a pit with dead bodies, crushed with a shovel bucket, had a smouldering iron stuck in their mouth.*
p.s. If you want the war to end than consider this: get the Russian troops/rebels out of the UKRAINE.
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josie_L
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I simply made a statement that there is such a thing going on, on the Internet. Moreover, I don’t care if you think I’m wrong, i.e., thinking I’m wrong, doesn’t mean you’ve proved me wrong.YOU, Darryl, and Follow Christ are the ones who brought up Kremlin internet trolls, not us. I just found it amusing that you associated a forum glitch with a Kremlin plot.
But here you right, back to the OP.
Of which you’re wrong BTW.
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