Crimeans Who Ushered in the Russians Now Have to Live With Their Choice

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Really taking the moral highground, once Crimea seized, a bill to open Casinos there.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-27101228
Ukraine crisis: Russia plans Crimea casino boom
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And the ready use to use nuclear weapons merely over Crimea:
** Putin’s nuclear threat: Russian leader nearly started World War Three over the Crimea war **
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express.co.uk/news/world/564242/Vladimir-Putin-nuclear-threat-world-war-three-crimea

And let’s not forget, some forecasts:

danielpipes.org/blog/2005/08/predicting-a-majority-muslim-russia
** Predicting a Majority Muslim Russia **
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latin_rite said:
Well it was there choice. Unlike the poor saps under the Kiev junta who had their “government” forced on them at the point of the gun.
Things mightn’t be looking so good for the Kiev junta,what with Germany and France starting to turn their back on the corruption riddled Junta… lol.
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A junta? Sure, we buy that story like Putin himself is an accused Pedophile.

news.com.au/world/europe/former-russian-spy-accused-putin-of-being-kremlin-paedophile-before-his-death/story-fnh81p7g-1227205915682
 
Klemens_Hadwig said:
Very good point. I will however add that Catholicism carries suspicion in Russia for one other, very simple reason; the pope. However, it is not the notion of a religious head or anti-hierarchical sentiment that drives the opposition to the papacy. Patriarch Kirill acts as the Russian ‘pope’ and his position appears stable. What the Russians (and many Slavs) detest and fear is a foreign external force influencing their affairs.

I myself am Catholic, but I do see the advantage of the autocephalous model. Yes, autocephaly can succumb to nationalism, but it also prevents the absorption of the entire Church into the politics of a specific region. Let’s face it, the Catholic Church, with its singular leader is located in Rome, by default possesses a west-European character. Furthermore, until early modern times, the scope and range of the papacy was limited to western Europe. Recent popes have largely supported the creation of the European Union, although not without reservation for the such developments like the atheistic Constitution. In short, the papacy is a western institution. Consequently, Catholicism in Russia would negate the already besieged independence from the west. Look at the current state of my Catholic Poland and you will see what remains of independence after significant rapprochement with the west.
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Well, at least the Native Americans voted and opted for the casinos themselves, it wasn’t a situation where their land was seized and within weeks, the annexing government decided to open casinos.
As to these tiresome predictions of yours I hope you are not going to follow them up with pictures of Putin hugging a child and purport that these show he is a paedophile or remarks that hit that Russians slant towards been paedophiles in any case.
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He’s the one who apparently thought about using nuclear weapons over Crimea, I’m certainly not defending such.

Funny, the post you quote has said nothing about what you are talking about, as long as we are relayed propaganda about a coup, apparently, any kind of information or disinformation can be discussed per another post. Of course, it seems some think we are suppose to accept these statements without protest.

Putin seems finished, I will not go into it, he may be a figure head but another week goes by and he’s not in the news much anymore.
 
As written by an Orthodox poster on CAF:
This is absolutely false. How can you possibly support state and church colluding with one another? Let’s bust up a few myths about the glories of Church and State in Russia. I’ll start with the present circumstances in Russia, and then go on to more about the history of it.
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1.) Patriarch Kirill of Moscow sanctions almost every Russian government policy. He’s a rubber stamp for Putin. There is a reason why a certain rockband (these forums censor part of its name) explicitly targeted Kirill for his unwavering support for Putin. Kirill’s harsh and hyperbolic, to say the least, condemnation of the aforementioned band reveals how much he, as a leader of an autocephalous church, is nothing more than a tool for the Russian government. He claimed their act of protest to be the work of the devil, and that they should be severely punished for it. So much for free speech. Putin doesn’t care about Orthodoxy. He is merely using the church to suit his own political goals. The Soviet Union did the same thing, especially at its lowpoint in World War II. If it means anything, and it should, the monks of Mount Athos monastery have openly condemned Kirill and those under him as criminals and mere servants of Vladimir Putin. They have declared Kirill and them as anathema.
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2.) As I said above, this whole narrative about the “the West needs the government to adopt and sponsor an official religion because the culture has declined” is completely false. Humanity is just as good and depraved today as it was 3000 years ago.
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2.5) I’m proud of my Western culture with its separation of church and state despite all its faults. It spawned the Enlightenment, separation of church and state, and most importantly analytic philosophy. And while the West has plenty of flaws, don’t be so confident in any model that endorses church and state intertwining. The Russian Empire specifically with the approval of the Russian Orthodox Church, initiated pogroms against the Jews on a regular basis before the rise of Hitler. Let’s not forget about Rasputin either, the influential Russian monk known for his scandalous behavior, who the monarchy endorsed. During World War I, the Russian government spent tons of money on the Russian Orthodox Church, while millions starved, unable to feed themselves.
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The supposed benefits of conjoining church and state are completely overstated, if not false.
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=952054&page=2
 
So, we are suppose to put credibility in someone who says he was thinking about using nuclear weapons?? Really?
 
A quote by Soren Kierkegaard about state churches:

**“What Christianity needs is not the suffocating protection of the state; no, it needs fresh air, it needs persecution, and it needs God’s protection. The state only works disaster, it wards off persecution and thus is not the medium through which God’s protection can be conducted. Above all, save Christianity from the state. By its protection it smothers it to death.” **
 
josie_L said:
A quote by Soren Kierkegaard about state churches:

**“What Christianity needs is not the suffocating protection of the state; no, it needs fresh air, it needs persecution, and it needs God’s protection. The state only works disaster, it wards off persecution and thus is not the medium through which God’s protection can be conducted. Above all, save Christianity from the state. By its protection it smothers it to death.” **
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Possibly correct, but it has to be remembered that Christianity was suppressed, in the USSR, up until 14 years ago.

Rome wasn’t built in a day.
 
Thanks for checking. I don’t want to be putin words in anyone’s mouth.
 
According to a recent poll in Ukraine,
– Only 8% say the country is going in the right direction.
– Only 5% say the country is politically stable.
– 60% assert they don’t approve of the president’s actions.
– 33% believe he is doing a good job.
– 60% don’t trust stories published and broadcast by the Ukrainian press.

Read more at liveleak.com/view?i=1cd_1426874150#zgPxDZyJkW4HxIWM.99

This contrasts sharply with polls taken in Crimea:
“Do you endorse Russia’s annexation of Crimea?” 82% of the respondents answered “yes, definitely,” and another 11% – “yes, for the most part.” Only 2% gave an unambiguously negative response, and another 2% offered a relatively negative assessment. Three percent did not specify their position.
globalresearch.ca/the-annexation-of-crimea-to-russia-opinion-poll/5430781
 
Tomdstone said:
According to a recent poll in Ukraine,
– Only 8% say the country is going in the right direction.
– Only 5% say the country is politically stable.
– 60% assert they don’t approve of the president’s actions.
– 33% believe he is doing a good job.
– 60% don’t trust stories published and broadcast by the Ukrainian press.

Read more at liveleak.com/view?i=1cd_1426874150#zgPxDZyJkW4HxIWM.99

This contrasts sharply with polls taken in Crimea:
“Do you endorse Russia’s annexation of Crimea?” 82% of the respondents answered “yes, definitely,” and another 11% – “yes, for the most part.” Only 2% gave an unambiguously negative response, and another 2% offered a relatively negative assessment. Three percent did not specify their position.
globalresearch.ca/the-annexation-of-crimea-to-russia-opinion-poll/5430781
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Could anyone be surprised?

Ukraine is heading towards disaster, possibly towards cessation of existence…
 
Darryl1958 said:
It is the only thing that would make sense of a lot of what is happening on this forum for sure.

Nobody in the real world holds some of the positions that people hold here.
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I’m not sure why but my account has been blocked twice since last week, it’s like I’m banned but temporarily.

p.s. A forum message appears stating that I can no longer access CAF, but specifies no reason, and that the ban will never be lifted. It always appears after I’ve posted on the Ukraine threads.
 
josie_L said:
I’m not sure why but my account has been blocked twice since last week, it’s like I’m banned but temporarily.

p.s. A forum message appears stating that I can no longer access CAF, but specifies no reason, and that the ban will never be lifted. It always appears after I’ve posted on the Ukraine threads.
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I think it must be a bug, because you are still posting.🤷

Cyber warfare is a real thing too, and Russians do have a reputation for waging that kind of war.
(I just watched Sandra Bullock’s old movie from 1995 “The Net” too, so it is hard for me not to jump to that kind of paranoid? conclusion).🙂

I don’t think you are doing anything against forum rules though.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I think it must be a bug, because you are still posting.🤷

Cyber warfare is a real thing too, and Russians do have a reputation for waging that kind of war.
(I just watched Sandra Bullock’s old movie from 1995 “The Net” too, so it is hard for me not to jump to that kind of paranoid? conclusion).🙂

I don’t think you are doing anything against forum rules though.
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Yes, I’m posting now, but there are times when I can’t post at all, i.e., it can last for hours.

p.s. I assume it’s a bug, but on my system or CAF’s??
 
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