Crimeans Who Ushered in the Russians Now Have to Live With Their Choice

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I do not know who coined this but, I think it is useful to remember.

‘Man has no right to sin.’
Probably some ISIS or Taliban character. If you sin with these guys, off goes your head.

Looks like Russia is going in the same direction as it relates to gays…If you have the gay sin going on, you get beaten or worse.
 
Probably some ISIS or Taliban character. If you sin with these guys, off goes your head.

Looks like Russia is going in the same direction as it relates to gays…If you have the gay sin going on, you get beaten or worse.
The whole anti-gay thing in Russia is probably a crock. With a winked-at underworld like Russia has, can anyone truly believe there aren’t homosexual bathhouses and child exploitation going on there?
 
The Socialist governments, even under the likes of Stalin and Mao were not autocracies, but rather absolute oligarchies (Politburo, Central Committee, etc.).

The closest historical autocrats were absolute monarchs before the end of XVIII century/Revolutions of 1789-1848. It would be a great historical injustice to judge these rulers in the same manner as the totalitarians of the XX century.

As for installation of any autocrat, I cannot answer correctly, since I am but a mere student of history. I specialise in the past, not the future.😃
Autocrats aren’t. There is no such thing as a true Autocracy or Monarchy. Nominally, potentially. But reality, impossible.

A King/Queen has the appearance of being at the top, but how many Monarchs were overthrown or fought against by their own country? Who could forget the Magna Carta> The French Revolution? Or farther back, all the Roman Emporers who were overthrown?

A king must have support of his Vassals. And his vassals must have support of their vassals - until you reached the basic serf/peasant/citizen/etc.

Therefore, there is only Oligarchy. On the other side, Democracy isn’t stable, and the will of the people quickly bends to attacking vulnerable minorities. Eventually, Democracy leads themselves into the ground, leading to voting in an absolute ruler (anyone remember Caesar, Hitler, etc?). Therefore, Democracy just leads to Oligarchy.

Furthermore, Anarchy also isn’t. Anarchy lasts long enough for people to rally behind an absolute ruler, who will then control an Oligarchy. Therefore, almost every type of government transitions to Oligarchy, which periodically dissolves into Anarchy.

And the one thing they all have in common: Violence. They are all very violent in nature. Look at any of the past Autocrats/Monarchs/Totalitarian/Transition Governments of the past century, or even the present.

The only government to appear to be above this violence, when closely guarded, is a Republic form of government. But that isn’t without it’s failures. But the election of Thomas Jefferson marks the first involuntary change of power - of an entire country - without violence. Yet, for someone reason, what that represents is evil :confused: as opposed to the violent transitions of Oligarchies, Democracies, and Anarchies 🤷

Russia and Europe still doesn’t understand peaceful transitions of power. It’s a very American thing - and it’s starting to disappear if you look at many reactions of the American Left. Perhaps if the Russians could understand peace, then there wouldn’t need to be a missile shield? Or a NATO? Maybe Russia could even join NATO - instead of trying to attack and threaten countries thinking about joining NATO?
 
Autocrats aren’t. There is no such thing as a true Autocracy or Monarchy. Nominally, potentially. But reality, impossible.

A King/Queen has the appearance of being at the top, but how many Monarchs were overthrown or fought against by their own country? Who could forget the Magna Carta> The French Revolution? Or farther back, all the Roman Emporers who were overthrown?

A king must have support of his Vassals. And his vassals must have support of their vassals - until you reached the basic serf/peasant/citizen/etc.

Therefore, there is only Oligarchy. On the other side, Democracy isn’t stable, and the will of the people quickly bends to attacking vulnerable minorities. Eventually, Democracy leads themselves into the ground, leading to voting in an absolute ruler (anyone remember Caesar, Hitler, etc?). Therefore, Democracy just leads to Oligarchy.

Furthermore, Anarchy also isn’t. Anarchy lasts long enough for people to rally behind an absolute ruler, who will then control an Oligarchy. Therefore, almost every type of government transitions to Oligarchy, which periodically dissolves into Anarchy.

And the one thing they all have in common: Violence. They are all very violent in nature. Look at any of the past Autocrats/Monarchs/Totalitarian/Transition Governments of the past century, or even the present.

The only government to appear to be above this violence, when closely guarded, is a Republic form of government. But that isn’t without it’s failures. But the election of Thomas Jefferson marks the first involuntary change of power - of an entire country - without violence. Yet, for someone reason, what that represents is evil :confused: as opposed to the violent transitions of Oligarchies, Democracies, and Anarchies 🤷

Russia and Europe still doesn’t understand peaceful transitions of power. It’s a very American thing - and it’s starting to disappear if you look at many reactions of the American Left. Perhaps if the Russians could understand peace, then there wouldn’t need to be a missile shield? Or a NATO? Maybe Russia could even join NATO - instead of trying to attack and threaten countries thinking about joining NATO?
Well said. A Republican form of Democracy that protects the rights of the minority is the way to go. Its something that has to be jealuosly guarded and works best with an educated electorate. Its hard to create, easy to lose and dissolve into a lower form of governance such as autocracy. Germany w/ Hitler is a good example. Russia had its chance after the collapse of the USSR and blew it. Iraq as well.
 
Probably some ISIS or Taliban character. If you sin with these guys, off goes your head.

Looks like Russia is going in the same direction as it relates to gays…If you have the gay sin going on, you get beaten or worse.
Actually, I heard this statement for the first time from a Catholic priest. All it means is that we have no right to sin in the eyes of God. We do sin, but in doing so violate our Lord’s established order.

Republican democracy legitimises all movements. In other words, it becomes possible for sin to be publicly legitimised. This is hardly surprising, since the liberal utopianism that promotes equal political rights, liberty etc. does not account for sin and disregards the Divine in favour of man.

Nobody is preventing the United States from exercising its preferred form of government.
However, the United States should not impose its model on other states. Doing so is itself a form of imperialism through indirect means.
 
This is a Moscow Times article referencing Russian troops in Ukraine:
On Oct. 17, following a search at the offices of the Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers in the southern Russian city of Budyonnovsk, Lyudmila Bogatenkova, the head of the branch, was arrested and charged with fraud. The 73-year-old, who is disabled and suffers from diabetes, spent two nights at a detention center and had to be taken to the local hospital following her release on Oct. 20. She has released a statement declaring her innocence.
The case is unprecedented, and not only on legal grounds. Under Russian law, it is unusual to detain those charged with economic crimes, as well as pensioners or invalids, unless they represent a risk to society. Given Bogatenkova’s age, health and charges, the incident demonstrates the depravity that enters the justice system when politics are involved.
The revelations made by the Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers about the number of Russian soldiers dying in Ukraine are just another example of the Kremlin’s complete lack of regard for the lives of those serving in the Russian army, writes columnist Anna Pivovarchuk.

In late August, Bogatenkova was one of the first to announce that the 11 Russian soldiers declared dead earlier that month were killed in Ukraine. According to official statements, they were either killed during an exercise in the Rostov region on the border with eastern Ukraine or were discharged from the Russian armed forces and entered Ukraine as volunteers.
The Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers stated that all were contract soldiers who were part of the 18th Brigade, stationed in Chechnya. The Defense Ministry refused to comment, citing that it had no information about the death of its soldiers on Ukrainian territory.
"Russia is not conducting a military operation in Ukraine" has been the official mantra propagated by the Kremlin since the annexation of Crimea, when “little green men” — unmarked Russian special forces — participated in the takeover of the peninsula. State media mentioned a Russian casualty in Ukraine in early September, claiming that the paratrooper killed in the Donbass region in eastern Ukraine was officially “on vacation” at the time of death.
In the meantime, widespread evidence of Russia’s covert involvement in the conflict has surfaced with persistent regularity. There was the case of the 10 paratroopers who got “lost” in Ukraine during a routine border patrol, the scattered Russian tanks and military rations, and the hushed transport of dead soldiers who were killed during the battle for the Donetsk airport in May.
This secrecy is a well-rehearsed policy. During the Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, planes carrying bodies of soldiers landed at night, in an attempt to cover up the escalating casualties of the conflict. Similar attempts to play down increasing casualties incurred by the Russian army were made during the first Chechen war from 1994 to 1996.
Current attempts to cover up the presence of what Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu amusingly termed “polite people” in Ukraine is politically expedient and fits the pattern of the Russian government’s continued disregard for the lives of its soldiers, but it becomes nearly impossible to conceal in the age of the Internet and smartphones.
The Kavkazsky Uzel website reported that families of the killed soldiers have been forced to sign non-disclosure agreements about the conditions of the soldiers’ deaths. Ukrainian bloggers published photographs of documents and weapons belonging to Russian soldiers who were killed in the Donbass, while the Gruz200 website continues to run photos and names of those killed, captured or missing, as does Russia’s Dozhd TV.
 
This is a Moscow Times article referencing Russian troops in Ukraine:
I would not trust dissident sources, or most dissidents for that matter. Generally, dissidents stir unrest simply to gain power for themselves.
 
I would not trust dissident sources, or most dissidents for that matter. Generally, dissidents stir unrest simply to gain power for themselves.
Mothers of dead soldiers are out to gain power for themselves, what the . . . . . . . .?

p.s. Putin obviously is not out to get power or rather retain his stranglehold on Russia. :rolleyes:
 
Mothers of dead soldiers are out to gain power for themselves, what the . . . . . . . .?

p.s. Putin obviously is not out to get power or rather retain his stranglehold on Russia. :rolleyes:
I was referring to dissidents in general. The principle still works even if I limit my assessment to the aforementioned organisation. Of course the mothers have no ambitions. You have to look beyond the details and particulars.

The heads of such organisations have much to gain by fostering dissidence. Furthermore, their foreign allies (the west) also benefit greatly from unrest. The ultimate goal is not justice, but merely usurpation of power from the current rulers.

Putin already has power. Thus, his opponents, from within and without, desire it for themselves.
  • Revolution is but a means by which one group gains the power of the ousted group. -
    (Paraphrased from a quotation by his Serene Highness, Prince Klemens von Metternich)
 
I don’t think so. Even Adam and Eve had free will. I don’t think that God was wrong in His Divine Creation Plan.
I don’t think you understand sarcasm very well, i.e., I was being sarcastic when I said that.

p.s. If God gave us free will than He respects the individuality of every human being, unlike autocratic governments that would stultify and deny free will at any cost.
 
I was referring to dissidents in general. The principle still works even if I limit my assessment to the aforementioned organisation. Of course the mothers have no ambitions. You have to look beyond the details and particulars.

The heads of such organisations have much to gain by fostering dissidence. Furthermore, their foreign allies (the west) also benefit greatly from unrest. The ultimate goal is not justice, but merely usurpation of power from the current rulers.

Putin already has power. Thus, his opponents, from within and without, desire it for themselves.
  • Revolution is but a means by which one group gains the power of the ousted group. -
    (Paraphrased from a quotation by his Serene Highness, Prince Klemens von Metternich)
In other words, you’ve completely ignored the point of my article, i.e., there are Russian troops in the Eastern Ukraine.

p.s. Yes, Putin has power and he doesn’t intend to give it up, even going so far as killing his critics and anyone else who stands in his way of retaining power over the Russian people.
 
I would not trust dissident sources, or most dissidents for that matter. Generally, dissidents stir unrest simply to gain power for themselves.
Yes damn those dissidents who were against Mao, STalin, Hitler, Mussolini, The GALL of them to try to take away the power of these fine upstanding autocrats.
 
The whole anti-gay thing in Russia is probably a crock. With a winked-at underworld like Russia has, can anyone truly believe there aren’t homosexual bathhouses and child exploitation going on there?
Gays in Russia are what was the “Jews” in Germany for a time.

But yeah, With all the Ernst Rohm wannabe’s running around over there, is probably more than they want to admit.
 
I don’t believe that one should use the Holy Divine Name in sarcasm. It is contrary to the first Commandment.
I wasn’t trying to use his name in sarcasm, i.e., I respect the free will He has given me, and was trying to relay that in my statement.
 
Of course, the sarcasm was not being used against God. It was being used against those who would trash God’s greatest gift to us, our freedom, as it were some piddling trifling little thing, a mere annoyance to the totalitarian fascism that is the opposite choice of freedom.
Americans and the West have been born into the greatest gift that has been afforded to mankind since the beginning of recorded history, and that is the possibility of individual freedom, without god-kings and pharaohs and tin pot dictators destroying that freedom through their oppression and terror.
Freedom is a precious thing, a rare thing, a Godly thing. Truly the passion and the jealousy to protect and nurture and grow that freedom should burn brightly and with intense heat in each and every one of us who have had this gift bestowed upon us by our societies, unmerited.

Instead, it is only the ingratitude of westerners toward that freedom that is burning for so many here, who see instead Putin as God’s gift, and the fascist imperialism that he is bringing down upon his neighbours as the legitimate exercise of power in the world.
 
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