meltzerboy
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I agree that the likability factor (including attractiveness) SHOULD not matter; nonetheless, for many people it does, and more for those who are not so involved in or knowledgeable about the issues.
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meltzerboy
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The psychological research confirms all that you say.It has always been thus. Trust is always an important factor. And, when you don’t get to personally meet someone (even when you do) appearance is an important initial thing that all of us use. Would you trust a banker dressed like an escapee from duck dynasty? Would you trust a salesman that had a sweat sheen even though you were inside an air conditioned store? Would you trust a pilot with a red nose associated with over drinking?
So while looks aren’t the only factor, they tend to be an initial one that colors succeeding opinions. Why do you think there is th saying ‘First impressions matter’?
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Lily_Bernans
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Yes, research does show that attractive people are helped more, liked more, given preferential treatment, etc. But then what happened to Rubio? He was by far the best looking of any candidate, Democrat or Republican. I’m not arguing the point with you; I agree. I just can’t understand Rubio’s decline in popularity unless it was the fact that he stooped to Trump’s level of namecalling. Trump can get away with that because he had already established it as his way of talking, etc., but for Rubio, at least publicly, it was something new.I agree that the likability factor (including attractiveness) SHOULD not matter; nonetheless, for many people it does, and more for those who are not so involved in or knowledgeable about the issues.
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Lily_Bernans
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I agree with you, Sally, that first impressions do matter, and one can’t dial back the clock and change a first impression. However, once we get to know people more, don’t you think those first impressions fade? Or not? For me, they do, but maybe for the majority they don’t. I don’t know.It has always been thus. Trust is always an important factor. And, when you don’t get to personally meet someone (even when you do) appearance is an important initial thing that all of us use. Would you trust a banker dressed like an escapee from duck dynasty? Would you trust a salesman that had a sweat sheen even though you were inside an air conditioned store? Would you trust a pilot with a red nose associated with over drinking?
So while looks aren’t the only factor, they tend to be an initial one that colors succeeding opinions. Why do you think there is th saying ‘First impressions matter’?
meltzerboy
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Likability is not the ONLY influence; there is also credibility. Or, one might argue that Rubio would not have gotten as far as he did WITHOUT looks. There are also other variables, some of which we may not even be aware at first.Yes, research does show that attractive people are helped more, liked more, given preferential treatment, etc. But then what happened to Rubio? He was by far the best looking of any candidate, Democrat or Republican. I’m not arguing the point with you; I agree. I just can’t understand Rubio’s decline in popularity unless it was the fact that he stooped to Trump’s level of namecalling. Trump can get away with that because he had already established it as his way of talking, etc., but for Rubio, at least publicly, it was something new.
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sallybutler
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I often work hard to ignore my first impressions. After 60 years, I have discovered that I am usually wrong in those first impressions. But it took me a long time to realize that. Maybe the first 45 tended to rely on first impressions. Of course, I was wrong more than 50% of the time. Not that that ever stopped me. I’d say it is in the last 15 years that I have become less likely to jump on my first opinion and take more time to reflect on things.I agree with you, Sally, that first impressions do matter, and one can’t dial back the clock and change a first impression. However, once we get to know people more, don’t you think those first impressions fade? Or not? For me, they do, but maybe for the majority they don’t. I don’t know.
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Lily_Bernans
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Yes, that could be argued. Movie star handsome as he is, I still didn’t like Rubio, though. I did like Kasich, and don’t consider him good looking, until I heard him in a one-on-one with Anderson Cooper. I didn’t like what he had to say. He seemed so fake.Likability is not the ONLY influence; there is also credibility. Or, one might argue that Rubio would not have gotten as far as he did WITHOUT looks. There are also other variables, some of which we may not even be aware at first.
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Lily_Bernans
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Well, we can’t help but form first impressions. I’ve been working on mine, too. Some of the people who seemed most abrasive to me at first contact here, turned out to be the nicest once I interacted with them a little more.I often work hard to ignore my first impressions. After 60 years, I have discovered that I am usually wrong in those first impressions. But it took me a long time to realize that. Maybe the first 45 tended to rely on first impressions. Of course, I was wrong more than 50% of the time. Not that that ever stopped me. I’d say it is in the last 15 years that I have become less likely to jump on my first opinion and take more time to reflect on things.
I usually start out not trusting someone, but then I almost always soften up, sometimes to my own detriment. LOL
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sallybutler
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Whereas I’ve had the opposite experience. Some of the people I thought would be the worst turned out to be the best. I have found the Pollyanna approach to people (look for the best and you will find it) turns out to work pretty well.Well, we can’t help but form first impressions. I’ve been working on mine, too. Some of the people who seemed most abrasive to me at first contact here, turned out to be the nicest once I interacted with them a little more.
I usually start out not trusting someone, but then I almost always soften up, sometimes to my own detriment. LOL
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Alex_H
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Ted Cruz gaining delegates, clout in Louisiana, Wall Street Journal reports
Donald Trump defeated Sen. Ted Cruz by 3.6 percentage points this month in Louisiana’s Republican presidential primary, but the Wall Street Journal reports that the “Texan may wind up with as many as 10 more delegates from the state than the businessman.”
The newspaper reported that Cruz’s supporters “also seized five of Louisiana’s six slots on the three powerful committees that will write the rules and platform at the Republican National Convention and mediate disputes over delegates’ eligibility this summer in Cleveland.”
“The little-noticed inside maneuvering that led to this outcome in Louisiana is another dramatic illustration of the inside game that could have an outsize influence on the bitter race for the GOP nomination,” the Journal says.
The newspaper says the moves could be crucial if Trump fails to reach the delegate threshold to claim the GOP nomination on the convention’s first ballot “because committees dominated by Cruz supporters could work to block him from winning enough delegates to claim the nomination on any subsequent ballots.”
nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/ted_cruz_gaining_delegates_in.html
Donald Trump defeated Sen. Ted Cruz by 3.6 percentage points this month in Louisiana’s Republican presidential primary, but the Wall Street Journal reports that the “Texan may wind up with as many as 10 more delegates from the state than the businessman.”
The newspaper reported that Cruz’s supporters “also seized five of Louisiana’s six slots on the three powerful committees that will write the rules and platform at the Republican National Convention and mediate disputes over delegates’ eligibility this summer in Cleveland.”
“The little-noticed inside maneuvering that led to this outcome in Louisiana is another dramatic illustration of the inside game that could have an outsize influence on the bitter race for the GOP nomination,” the Journal says.
The newspaper says the moves could be crucial if Trump fails to reach the delegate threshold to claim the GOP nomination on the convention’s first ballot “because committees dominated by Cruz supporters could work to block him from winning enough delegates to claim the nomination on any subsequent ballots.”
nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/ted_cruz_gaining_delegates_in.html
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sallybutler
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Which is just as scary as Trump winning.According to Rachel Maddow, Cruz is sneakily shoring up delegates that actually support him instead of Donald Trump. Just in case nobody gets half of the total delegates needed to win, Cruz could be in a good position to lock up the nomination.
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I realize this may not be politically correct, but I don’t want firebrands, Democrat or Republicans. Anyone who supports tearing down the government is not someone I can support.
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Alex_H
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It seems to me that any time the government really sets out to try and “help” people, it actually ends up hurting them much more. For example, take the Affordable Care Act. It was supposed to help people get healthcare at an affordable price. For the majority of people, however, it has been an abject failure and, worse, has actually cost people a lot of money.Which is just as scary as Trump winning.
I realize this may not be politically correct, but I don’t want firebrands, Democrat or Republicans. Anyone who supports tearing down the government is not someone I can support.
I share your commitment to the social good and welfare of the populace, especially the poor. I tend to believe, however, that the government harms the general welfare of the populace and especially the poor by getting in the way.
For example, take the minimum wage. Where the minimum wage has been raised, companies have simply been eliminating jobs to keep up with the costs. Like McDonalds, which announced recently that all of its cashier jobs in Seattle ($15 Minimum Wage) would now be performed by cash machines and ATMs. Now, to the person who is poor, this means that what little they made is now gone because their job at McDonalds is gone. It is now occupied by machine labor.
These are just two examples of how government tries to help.
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sallybutler
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The government also tries to help by mandating that meat be processed in sanitary conditions, that electricians meet certain standards, that milk is pasteurized, that cars have seat belts, that chefs wash their hands, etc. Which of those do you want to have the government stop regulating?It seems to me that any time the government really sets out to try and “help” people, it actually ends up hurting them much more. For example, take the Affordable Care Act. It was supposed to help people get healthcare at an affordable price. For the majority of people, however, it has been an abject failure and, worse, has actually cost people a lot of money.
I share your commitment to the social good and welfare of the populace, especially the poor. I tend to believe, however, that the government harms the general welfare of the populace and especially the poor by getting in the way.
For example, take the minimum wage. Where the minimum wage has been raised, companies have simply been eliminating jobs to keep up with the costs. Like McDonalds, which announced recently that all of its cashier jobs in Seattle ($15 Minimum Wage) would now be performed by cash machines and ATMs. Now, to the person who is poor, this means that what little they made is now gone because their job at McDonalds is gone. It is now occupied by machine labor.
These are just two examples of how government tries to help.
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Alex_H
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That’s not exactly the platform that Ted is running on…The government also tries to help by mandating that meat be processed in sanitary conditions, that electricians meet certain standards, that milk is pasteurized, that cars have seat belts, that chefs wash their hands, etc. Which of those do you want to have the government stop regulating?
He is talking about all those regulations on financial markets that harm people and their way of life. I haven’t heard him talk about milk pasteurization this entire campaign.
Seems like a straw man to me.
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sallybutler
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Not really. Aren’t regulations the cause of all problems plaguing free enterprise? That would include those that protect your personal health.That’s not exactly the platform that Ted is running on…
He is talking about all those regulations on financial markets that harm people and their way of life. I haven’t heard him talk about milk pasteurization this entire campaign.
Seems like a straw man to me.
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Alex_H
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Financial regulations are bad for the economy and people’s well being, no doubt.Not really. Aren’t regulations the cause of all problems plaguing free enterprise? That would include those that protect your personal health.
I fail to see how milk pasteurization blends into that.
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sallybutler
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It forces businesses to have additional costs because of regulations instead of market demands.Financial regulations are bad for the economy and people’s well being, no doubt.
I fail to see how milk pasteurization blends into that.
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Alex_H
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But when has Ted Cruz argued for the elimination of milk pasteurization protocol?It forces businesses to have additional costs because of regulations instead of market demands.
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sallybutler
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Has he not said that there are too many regulations? What makes you think those regulations don’t include those that protect you and yours?But when has Ted Cruz argued for the elimination of milk pasteurization protocol?
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