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A vast vast majority will stick with him. They like him (this is what Obama was about; this is what Rubio had with his people): the single most important factor in electability. Nothing can touch it. (this is number one for getting a job too; if they like you they hire you) Now Trump mellows out, moves to the inside, gets professionals in line, aims at the center, minorities, Ivanka is out there talking to women. He loves Mexico, backs down on immigration. His base will see him as their Andrew Jackson really taking it to Washington, their antihero redefining Washington. They have provided the narrative all along. They have never seen Trump for what he is. The parallel to Obama is amazing. The Obama haze lasted for six years with me; if Obama believed in a policy, it was cool, good, the right thing to do - eventually people get disillusioned and they become more analytical.

Hillary has very little real, genuine enthusiasm - this is her weakness. The key will be can Trump counter the Dem narrative - racist, bigot, anti-Muslim, etc. I say yes, with enough people. Polls don’t matter much now at all. I have known that all along.
I like and agree with a lot of what you have said here, but the section I underlined reveals your blindness. Hillary has millions more votes than any other candidate. That’s NOT an indication of non-enthusiasm. Quite the opposite, in fact. It’s just that HRC supporters are long term, cooler, more collected. I’m a Hillary supporter for decades and I am OVER THE MOON about electing her to the Presidency. But I don’t yammer about that non-stop on social media.
 
I think Trump’s chances of winning the 1237 or on the first ballot have really been downplayed since Wisconsin…
I agree with you, FC34. Honestly, I think Trump will come very very close to striking distance of the 1237 and, if he does, the nomination will be his. If the Republican Leadership snatches it from him, it will be to the absolute detriment of their own already-battered Party.

If Trump was anyone else in the world (except Ted Cruz) then, by now, the RNC would be backing him as the presumptive nominee and getting out the vote for him.
 
I like and agree with a lot of what you have said here, but the section I underlined reveals your blindness. Hillary has millions more votes than any other candidate. That’s NOT an indication of non-enthusiasm. Quite the opposite, in fact. It’s just that HRC supporters are long term, cooler, more collected. I’m a Hillary supporter for decades and I am OVER THE MOON about electing her to the Presidency. But I don’t yammer about that non-stop on social media.
I can tell you are a Hillary supporter, Little Sheep! No worries there! Dare I say, with all due respect, that you have a bit of a blind spot there. I feel like I am trying to tell a proud parent that his/her kid sucks in the school play - I am not going to get anywhere no matter what I say so I don’t try.

😃
 
I like Ted Cruz’s low-taxes, anti-Patriot act stance, his appeal to the constitution, and his pro-life advocacy, but other than that the man is an idiot
 
TMC.

I did a word search from your posts and I cannot find you ever referring to Hillary as “hard left”.

I couldn’t even find you referring to the “Democratic Socialist” Bernie Sanders as “hard left” either.

Nor their supporters.

You said (emphasis mine):

QUOTE:
The hard right is convinced that if only the GOP ran an extremist like Cruz a surge of conservatives will appear out of thin air and carry the day.

I think you are getting your “hard right” talking point from the mainstream media possibly without even realizing it.

Us “hard right” people want things like sustainable economics.

There is only ONE candidate remaining in the race, which wants government smaller—Senator Ted Cruz.

In my last post I linked to the $19 TRILLION dollars in US debt. (here it is again in case someone missed it)

TMC. I see on one of your last posts in another thread you cited a quote . . .

QUOTE:
Does not the Bible tell you “Never a lender or Barrower be?” . . . We are the sheep being happily lead to the slaughter.

Then you said . . .
That is actually from Shakespeare - a line from Polonius in Hamlet.
Admittedly this is a different context than national political fiscal responsibility.

But let’s use that same quote in a national fiscal context anyway.

With the country being NINETEEN TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT (about twice as much as when Barack “debt is unpatriotic”] Obama took office) . . .

. . . . how much MORE debt do you think should the country leverage against our grandchildren before you stop labeling people who want sustainable Government as “hard right”?

The challenge with a Cruz win in the general won’t be dealing with Democrats. It will be with dealing with establishment Republicans.

The same establishment Republicans that told Republican voters, “you need to get out and support the nominee to defeat the Democrats” when they put forth Dole, McCain, and Romney.

The GOPe didn’t believe that back then (at least in principle) . . . and they don’t believe it now.

So Senator Cruz MAY win. Or Cruz may NOT win.

But if he does win, he WILL have to defeat both the Democrats and the establishment Republicans.

Cruz will win by going directly to the people.

And the people will have to decide what they want.

If they want America, they will vote for Cruz.

If they want to continue along the path of European quasi-socialism, and continuing to turn our Country into a third world country (Obama calls it “fundamentally transforming America”) they can vote for one of the other candidates.

But the choice will be crystal clear.
 
I like Ted Cruz’s low-taxes, anti-Patriot act stance, his appeal to the constitution, and his pro-life advocacy, but other than that the man is an idiot
I’m all about a complete overhaul of our tax system - that is one of the Republican/Cruz ideas that truly appeals to me and seems absolutely necessary.

Also, the Patriot Act is a disaster and Crux certainly piques my interest with that issue.

I have different thoughts on facets of the Constitution than Cruz does, but I respect some of his perspectives and keep an open mind to them. I general, I support a tiny federal government, but alas, neither the Dems OR the Repubs do.

He’s lost me completely on abortion, but nobody’s perfect! 😉
 
I can tell you are a Hillary supporter, Little Sheep! No worries there! Dare I say, with all due respect, that you have a bit of a blind spot there. I feel like I am trying to tell a proud parent that his/her kid sucks in the school play - I am not going to get anywhere no matter what I say so I don’t try.

😃
Yes, my friend, all loyalty comes with blind spots! We are human, of course. 😊

In general, I direct my faith towards God and not men (or woman).

Having participated in quite a few school plays in a variety of capacities, I do appreciate your analogy! 😃
 
DeusExMachina. You said (here) . . .

QUOTE:
. . . Ted Cruz . . . is an idiot

DeusExMachina. Senator Cruz might be a lot of things . . . . but Cruz ISN’T “an idiot”.
 
TMC.

I did a word search from your posts and I cannot find you ever referring to Hillary as “hard left”.

I couldn’t even find you referring to the “Democratic Socialist” Bernie Sanders as “hard left” either.

Nor their supporters.

You said (emphasis mine):

QUOTE:
The hard right is convinced that if only the GOP ran an extremist like Cruz a surge of conservatives will appear out of thin air and carry the day.

I think you are getting your “hard right” talking point from the mainstream media possibly without even realizing it.

Us “hard right” people want things like sustainable economics.

There is only ONE candidate remaining in the race, which wants government smaller—Senator Ted Cruz.

In my last post I linked to the $19 TRILLION dollars in US debt. (here it is again in case someone missed it)

TMC. I see on one of your last posts in another thread you cited a quote . . .

QUOTE:
Does not the Bible tell you “Never a lender or Barrower be?” . . . We are the sheep being happily lead to the slaughter.

Then you said . . .

Admittedly this is a different context than national political fiscal responsibility.

But let’s use that same quote in a national fiscal context anyway.

With the country being NINETEEN TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT (about twice as much as when Barack “debt is unpatriotic”] Obama took office) . . .

. . . . how much MORE debt do you think should the country leverage against our grandchildren before you stop labeling people who want sustainable Government as “hard right”?

The challenge with a Cruz win in the general won’t be dealing with Democrats. It will be with dealing with establishment Republicans.

The same establishment Republicans that told Republican voters, “you need to get out and support the nominee to defeat the Democrats” when they put forth Dole, McCain, and Romney.

The GOPe didn’t believe that back then (at least in principle) . . . and they don’t believe it now.

So Senator Cruz MAY win. Or Cruz may NOT win.

But if he does win, he WILL have to defeat both the Democrats and the establishment Republicans.

Cruz will win by going directly to the people.

And the people will have to decide what they want.

If they want America, they will vote for Cruz.

If they want to continue along the path of European quasi-socialism, and continuing to turn our Country into a third world country (Obama calls it “fundamentally transforming America”) they can vote for one of the other candidates.

But the choice will be crystal clear.
Interesting that you care enough about my opinion to run searches on my posts. I can tell you that Hillary is not “hard left.” I would call her center left, actually. Bernie is certainly well to the left. I am fine with calling him “hard left” if that makes you happy.

And no, I am not accidently picking up the “hard right” moniker from the media. I can think for myself, thanks.

Not sure what you are getting at with the Shakespeare quote. A poster made the common error of thinking a famous quote is from Scripture, I corrected that error. Nothing more to be read into that. BTW, that was not even in this thread, so I guess you are spending some time reviewing my posts. I’m flattered, I guess.

I am not sure I agree that Ted Cruz wants less government. Like almost all politicians in both parties, he wants a large powerful government that supports his positions and initiatives. Those are just different priorities than the other party.

I agree that Cruz would have to defeat both parties to win the Presidency, which is why he won’t win. The vast majority of Americans disagree with him.

Finally, I strongly disagree with your assertion that everyone that truly supports America will vote for Cruz. There are true patriots that support each of the remaining candidates. Some, like those that support Cruz, are seriously mislead. But they are certainly patriots.
 
On this we agree. Let’s just say Cruz often keeps his intelligence under wraps.
That’s harsh and I think unfair. You may not agree with Ted Cruz ideologically, but Ted Cruz is a highly educated, intelligent man.
 
That’s harsh and I think unfair. You may not agree with Ted Cruz ideologically, but Ted Cruz is a highly educated, intelligent man.
Oh yes, I agree he is highly educated. But whether due to modesty or trying to identify with the populace, he seems to tone down his intelligence.
 
Just a few observations, and opinions.

-Pretty much ALL the democrats who voted for trump in the primaries will go Hillary in the general. And more conservatives than in 08 and 2012 will stay home.
-Hillary has so much dirt on trump that is not out yet, his already horrible approval rating will get much worse.
-How will trump defend himself against Hillary in a debate when she asks him something like “If what you say about me is true then why did you give me and my fellow democrats all that money during our political careers?” arf, arf, arf
-trump is unable to keep his composure when his “buttons are pressed” NOT presidential
-trump is the easiest target ever to be classified as an “evil 1% er white guy” which is a standard leftist tactic.
-A trump presidency is a conflict of interest because he could easily use his executive power to manipulate the system in favor of his many large businesses. It would be his normal manipulation tactics on steroids.
-trump could not expose Hillary as a flip flopper or “crooked” when he is and has been just as bad about it himself
-Rioting at trump rallies will get MUCH worse during his general election campaign. george soros hires the best trump crashers believe me, they will build a wall and make trump pay for it, it’s gonna be yuge, believe me,
-trump’s Hispanic vote % will be the worst in republican history after he is pummeled on immigration policy
-trumps treatment of women along with hillary being a woman will earn him the lowest % of women vote ever for a republican
-trumps inability to explain his ideas will be spotlighted in a general, hillary will run circles around him in a debate, believe me
 
Lily Bernans. You said . . .
They should nominate Trump. He has the most delegates and the most votes.
Remember. We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a “Republic”.

Part of that ideal is to have equality among societal elements that may not exist with a pure Democracy.

Part of that equality is parties being able to put forth their own candidates by whatever means they think is most representative of what they see as American ideals in the context of their own states (which is why you have 50 sets of rules for 50 states).

The Democrats had 775 superdelegates, accounting for 771 votes back in 2008. This year they have 719 superdelegates.

And you and I (or Trump) don’t necessarily agree with the concept of “superdelegates” among the Democrats.

But the Democratic party gets to choose the way they want to do this.

Likewise the Republican Party gets to make their own rules about how they will nominate their Party’s representative for the Presidency.

State Republican Parties get to make their own rules to a certain extent.

There is a “populist dimension” and a “delegate dimension” to the process. The Party is going to want answers on other dimensions too (i.e. fund raising).
  • Populist dimension (to prove you can reasonably resonate with people)
  • Delegate dimension (to prove you have good organizational skills on your team)
  • Fundraising dimension (this is considered more unsavory and is not publicly discussed by the candidates much except by Trump concerning his “self-leveraged” campaign which he tells the voters is “self-funded”)
BOTH populist and delegate dimensions are important (& fundraising is important too).

BOTH populist and delegate dimensions are going to be trotted out to the Party to see if you are worthy of a trial of a Presidential run (because they aren’t going to get another chance for four more years so you gotta get it correct now).

BOTH populist and delegate dimensions differ from state to state.

Delegates in one state might all be “bound” on the first ballot. Then free to vote for who ever they want on the second ballot. Some states have only half of their delegates becoming UNBOUND on the second ballot. Then on the third ballot ALL the delegates can vote for whoever they want. Other states (like Pennsylvania) have all UNBOUND delegates from the outset.

Some states “stack” their delegates for Trump using apparent nepotism (Chris Christie and his kid Andrew are New Jersey delegates for example – here)

You will never hear TRUMP HOLLERING about these TWO committed Trump New Jersey delegate situations and the influence they will have.

Populist differences from state to state include things like WHO is eligible to vote.

Some states allow any U.S. citizen to vote in their Republican Primary. Other states allow only U.S. citizens who are REGISTERED Republicans from that state (for a certain amount of time which ALSO may differ from state to state) to vote.

Some (like New York) require you ARE AND must have BEEN a Registered Republican for a long time (a year see here or have switched months ago).

Likely since the Trump family is probably largely still democrats; some of Trump’s own kids couldn’t vote for him (they claimed to be “unregistered”).

Trump either has not bothered to learn these delegate rules around the country or he has ignored them or he was unable to capitalize on them—he couldn’t master “the art of the delegate deal” in these situations.

Either way, if he eventually loses . . . . his lack of effort or . . . his lack of knowledge . . . or his clumsiness in wooing party delegates, will have kept him from sealing “the art of the Presidential deal”.

In the meantime we will have to listen to him HOLLER about “a rigged system”, “cheating”, “it’s a crooked system”, etc. whenever he loses—and he DOES LOSE.

Trump has even been whining about New York itself BEFORE he won his own state’s primary. This MAY end up costing him even more votes if politically speaking, he gets to November (see here).

“Most votes” do not necessarily proportionally translate into the “most delegates”. If they DID, Cruz and all the others would have campaigned differently!

You don’t get delegates based solely upon popular vote.

For example in South Carolina Trump only got 32.5% of the popular vote. Yet he won 100% of the delegates.

In Florida Trump won 45.7% of the votes. Yet got 100% of the 99 delegates.
  • 32.5% = 100% for Trump in SC
  • 45.7% = 100% for Trump in FL
No HOLLERING there.

Trump did NOT HOLLER and COMPLAIN in THOSE states. Nor the many other states where he got disproportionately MORE delegates for a relatively small vote haul.

New York has been the first and only state Trump broke the 50% mark!

Now I am not saying Trump was “cheating” the system here. (But Trump has implied Ted Cruz has)

Cruz knew the system and YOU TAILOR YOUR CAMPAIGN to such a system.

Trump got 2 billion dollars of free advertising from mainstream media so he wisely tailored his campaign to focus there. But Trump UNWISELY ignored the delegate race.

Cruz cannot compete with this Trump’s 2 billion dollar, expense-free account that Trump had.

So instead of flying to Iowa, then flying a personal private jet back to Trump Towers that night in New York so he can “Tweet” all hours of the night, then sleep in his own bed, before a MSM interview, Cruz had to do it differently.
 
In continuation from my last post . . .

But Cruz is getting it done. The results next week probably are not going to be much different as far as New England and Trump and Cruz.

It WILL change out West and in the Midwest.

An exception MAY be Pennsylvania. The delegates in Pennsylvania are all “uncommitted” so the vote tally will not necessarily reflect the delegate tally there. And when Trump gets beat, we will all have to suffer the HOLLERING and WHINING, etc. of Trump again.

If Cruz gets to a second vote at the Convention, Cruz will dispatch the Trump campaign.

And if Trump does get to the general, he himself will have hurt his own chances with his undermining public confidence in the electoral system (see that phenomenon here).

That was an excellent post carpenter383 (here)!

I’ve been thinking about all of this. And I think the circus you portrayed is one reason WHY the main stream media would LOVE to see a Hillary-Trump battle.

Trump would be trotting out Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, etc., associating Bill’s philandering to Hillary’s pandering, and turn their stories into MUCH more National Enquirer type of items under the guise of “journalism”.

I think they wanted to report much of these things years ago but were told they couldn’t by their publishers and editors (for example, the press knew about the Lewinsky scandal long before Drudge went public with the story - here).

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Media Schadenfreude**

Hillary has a lot of enemies in Washington. And many of them would like to see her go through the “proverbial wringer” before getting a shot at the White House.

And Trump WOULD put her through the “proverbial wringer”.

Not good for the country at all.
 
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