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Nobody is proposing that we deregulate food preparation. That’s not the platform Ted is running on.
Thank you for saying that. Most people just rant and rage about how regulations are destroying business. It is nice to know that not all regulations are bad.
 
Thank you! The Easter Vigil was a very beautiful mass.
I’m very glad you enjoyed it, and glad to have you in the Church! I think the Easter Vigil is our most beautiful liturgy. I especially love the prayer while the Paschal Candle is being carved:

“Christ yesterday and today, the beginning and the end, Alpha and Omega. All time belongs to him and all the ages to him to glory and power through every age for ever.”
 
As I told someone else, Trump has been setting up a slippery-slope argument. This is just an extension of it: If I get a plurality and they don’t give the nomination to me automatically then who’s to say they wouldn’t even deny me if I get a majority?
He very well could arrive at the convention with a majority and still not end up the nominee. As much as I dislike Trump, I don’t think that would be fair, and it would seem counterproductive to what the voters want, but it could happen.
 
Thank you for saying that. Most people just rant and rage about how regulations are destroying business. It is nice to know that not all regulations are bad.
I do think that common sense regulation reform is needed, however, especially with regard to the financial sector and economy, including repealing the affordable care act.

And that’s kind of what Ted Cruz is advocating.
 
I do think that common sense regulation reform is needed, however, especially with regard to the financial sector and economy, including repealing the affordable care act.

And that’s kind of what Ted Cruz is advocating.
I am one who likes Obama, but I can’t stand the ACA. I’m glad more people are insured, but I’m not glad my insurance premium tripled and covers less than it did before the ACA.

I also support a flat tax, though I know many do not.

I don’t think Cruz will be the party’s nominee.
 
Thank you for saying that. Most people just rant and rage about how regulations are destroying business. It is nice to know that not all regulations are bad.
If we didn’t have regulation, we’d be living in almost anarchy!
 
I am one who likes Obama, but I can’t stand the ACA. I’m glad more people are insured, but I’m not glad my insurance premium tripled and covers less than it did before the ACA.

I also support a flat tax, though I know many do not.

I don’t think Cruz will be the party’s nominee.
My mom was on one of the insurance plans from the affordable care act. It was one of those lower-tier ones, the only one that she could afford. No doctor in town would take it. She would go to the doctors office with her ACA health insurance and the doctor would say, “Sorry, we don’t accept that insurance.” And that was every doctor in town.
 
As I told someone else, Trump has been setting up a slippery-slope argument. This is just an extension of it: If I get a plurality and they don’t give the nomination to me automatically then who’s to say they wouldn’t even deny me if I get a majority?
P.S. Although when it gets to that point I might call it a “boogie man argument” instead.
 
The delegates can vote not to accept the rules and rewrite them before the first ballot and unbind themselves from being bound to a certain candidate. It would seem very arrogant of them not to nominate either Trump or Cruz, I think, considering that’s who the voters appear to want. Many delegates are what are called “SINOs” though, “Supporters in Name Only.” They’d love to be freed up to vote for someone else. But time will tell. This summer will be interesting.
Well that’s the way the system works. But I doubt that would happen. In the majority of times that there has been a contested convention, the person who ended up winning the nomination did not go into the convention having the most delegates. There is a lot at stake in this election. I hope general election electability should be near the frontier of the delegates minds after the first ballot when they have the freedom to join another candidate.
 
Well that’s the way the system works. But I doubt that would happen. In the majority of times that there has been a contested convention, the person who ended up winning the nomination did not go into the convention having the most delegates. There is a lot at stake in this election. I hope general election electability should be near the frontier of the delegates minds after the first ballot when they have the freedom to join another candidate.
I agree that electability is important; but at the same time electability is becoming an insanely hot-button. For example, if a moderate Republican is nominated, moderate independents may vote Republican, but right wingers might stay home … and now we’ve got “there’ll be riots”.

I wonder if the best thing would be for electability to actually go dormant for a while.
 
I agree that electability is important; but at the same time electability is becoming an insanely hot-button. For example, if a moderate Republican is nominated, moderate independents may vote Republican, but right wingers might stay home … and now we’ve got “there’ll be riots”.

I wonder if the best thing would be for electability to actually go dormant for a while.
Yes, exactly. Sadly, in spite of the fact that I am convinced Kasich is a much better candidate (in terms of qualification and electability :)) than Cruz, it would be a huge mistake to maneuver Kasich into the nomination if the current order of lead in delegates holds - Trump, Cruz, Kasich.

I could be wrong, but I think Cruz and Kasich (to a lesser degree) might be starting to break into the lead - kind of the way some horses break hard at the end to pass the frontrunner. I feel the beginnings of a national Trump hangover.

Perhaps it is a good thing that we have two very different, yet qualified candidates, Cruz and Kasich, poised to emerge in a substantive contest, as the spotlight moves onto them, in what amounts to redemption for the GOP (again, hopefully this is where we are heading; I don’t think I could get out of bed in the morning if I believed otherwise).

I will say this - there are Kasich voters who will not go to Cruz; they will choose Clinton or not voting. Cruz is too far right for much of the country. But at the same time, he is our best chance at this late stage to unify the party, no question. He simply must pull in Rubio and Kasich into his cabinet, not to mention placate a big chunk of Trumpers (the ones who are traditional GOP voters).

Another thought I had: I know Sanders still can’t make it as nominee because of the delegate counts, but if he did somehow start to make a serious splash as potential nominee, that could actually be quite helpful in that it would likely sober up the GOP - my God what are we doing, that sort of thing. Might help get over the Trump delirium if you will. We would suddenly have to be the sane ones, step up to the plate. As long as Clinton is in front, the GOP can continue the Real Housewives Gala.
 
Perhaps it is a good thing that we have two very different, yet qualified candidates, Cruz and Kasich, poised to emerge in a substantive contest, as the spotlight moves onto them, in what amounts to redemption for the GOP
I get what people are saying about that, but I have doubts for a couple reasons.

For one thing, claims that it’s helpful for Kasich to stay in are tenuous. For example, it’s certainly *possible *that Trump would have won a head-to-head with Cruz in Ohio, but it’s also possible that he wouldn’t have. Furthermore, we can’t ignore the negatives, e.g. on that same day, Missouri vote breakdown was 41%, 41%, 10%, 6%, but its delegates were awarded 37, 15, 0 , 0.

But second, and perhaps more importantly, I think it is a perfect setup for Trump to cry “foul” about the ways in which he’s being hurt (whilst completely ignoring the ways he’s being helped).
 
[QUOTESpeaking Thursday in Buenos Aires, Obama likened Cruz’s proposal to the totalitarianism Cruz’s father fled in Cuba. “You know, it’s rich seeing Obama attacking me when he just got back from going to a baseball game with the Castros, celebrating and toasting a ]communist dictator who tortures and murders his citizens, who oppresses them and who is rabidly anti-American and who spreads terrorism throughout Latin America,” Cruz said in an appearance on Fox News Sunday. “As the president noted, yes, my father was in prison and tortured in Cuba. So was my aunt. She was imprisoned and tortured by Castro’s goons in Cuba.” “And yet, what President Obama has done, what Hillary Clinton has done, what John Kerry has done is sent billions of dollars to the enemies of America, billions of dollars to the Castros, that they will use to increase repression, increase spreading terrorism throughout Latin America, and over $100 billion to the Ayatollah Khamenei in Iran,” he continued. ”That money will be used to fund Islamic terrorists that are coming to murder Americans, murder Europeans, to murder Israelis. And it will be used to fund their nuclear program and their ICBM program, which is designed to murder millions of Americans.” “You notice Obama and Hillary seemed more mad at me than they are at ISIS, than they are the terrorists who are murdering,” Cruz told guest host Shannon Bream.

Read more at: nationalreview.com/corner/433291/impassioned-cruz-fires-back-obama-hes-more-mad-me-isis

There is a lot of irony in Obama criticizing Cruz for being like the oppressive dictator that has just being cuddling up with.
If Cruz really was like Castro, then Obama would love him to death.
 
I get what people are saying about that, but I have doubts for a couple reasons.

For one thing, claims that it’s helpful for Kasich to stay in are tenuous. For example, it’s certainly *possible *that Trump would have won a head-to-head with Cruz in Ohio, but it’s also possible that he wouldn’t have. Furthermore, we can’t ignore the negatives, e.g. on that same day, Missouri vote breakdown was 41%, 41%, 10%, 6%, but its delegates were awarded 37, 15, 0 , 0.

But second, and perhaps more importantly, I think it is a perfect setup for Trump to cry “foul” about the ways in which he’s being hurt (whilst completely ignoring the ways he’s being helped).
Right. I am also a little nervous about undermining Cruz’ effort to keep pace with Trump in the delegate count. But as we saw with Rubio dropping out, not all voters for a certain candidate flock obediently to the one we presume they will when their guy is gone. If Kasich drops out, I don’t think we can just assume math-wise that Cruz gets those votes/delegates. If those voters liked Cruz in the first place (and especially by now), they would already be voting for him. Kasich keeps votes away from Trump. Kasich’s presence is harmful in winner take all states where Cruz is in second, good in proportional states.

And I do think there are states where Kasich can outperform Cruz, such as Pennsylvania, possibly the Northeast if he catches on more and more. A lot of people *like *Kasich (on principle!), and frankly will resent this talk of him dropping out. They want Kasich at the convention to represent the center of the party. I get that the hard right - ‘nonEstablishment right’ anyway - has approx 65% of the vote, but let’s remember that Trump’s positions are overall quite centrist (Democrat!) minus the ferocious campaign trail rhetoric on immigration, political correctness…(cutting NATO spending (???) Cruz’ vote is the hard right. Makes sense to me to wait and see what happens with Kasich going forward. Let’s not pigeon hole ourselves prematurely.

Cruz’ hardline ideology (and personal negatives) will actually be quite a liability in the general. The US voters in the election and Glenn Beck and National Review are NOT in the same place, issue-wise. :o I think it is better for the GOP’s election chances if Cruz and Kasich sort this out down the road, and by that I mean a compromise team/platform.

As for Trump being angry, yes I think we can count on that… :yawn: …no matter what happens, sun rising in the east. If you combine Cruz and Kasich voters, you get a majority of the GOP - they can talk to each other all they want. Sorry, Don. (frankly I would not be surprised to see Trump people coming our way - to Cruz or Kasich)
 
[QUOTESpeaking Thursday in Buenos Aires, Obama likened Cruz’s proposal to the totalitarianism Cruz’s father fled in Cuba. “You know, it’s rich seeing Obama attacking me when he just got back from going to a baseball game with the Castros, celebrating and toasting a ]
communist dictator who tortures and murders his citizens, who oppresses them and who is rabidly anti-American and who spreads terrorism throughout Latin America,” Cruz said in an appearance on Fox News Sunday. “As the president noted, yes, my father was in prison and tortured in Cuba. So was my aunt. She was imprisoned and tortured by Castro’s goons in Cuba.” “And yet, what President Obama has done, what Hillary Clinton has done, what John Kerry has done is sent billions of dollars to the enemies of America, billions of dollars to the Castros, that they will use to increase repression, increase spreading terrorism throughout Latin America, and over $100 billion to the Ayatollah Khamenei in Iran,” he continued. ”That money will be used to fund Islamic terrorists that are coming to murder Americans, murder Europeans, to murder Israelis. And it will be used to fund their nuclear program and their ICBM program, which is designed to murder millions of Americans.” “You notice Obama and Hillary seemed more mad at me than they are at ISIS, than they are the terrorists who are murdering,” Cruz told guest host Shannon Bream.

Read more at: nationalreview.com/corner/433291/impassioned-cruz-fires-back-obama-hes-more-mad-me-isis

There is a lot of irony in Obama criticizing Cruz for being like the oppressive dictator that has just being cuddling up with.
If Cruz really was like Castro, then Obama would love him to death.
Part of the problem is that many Republicans’ anger at the Dems has led them to instead attacking the GOP.
 
Cruz must be flustered lately. He said his home state was Florida in tonight’s CNN townhall with Anderson Cooper.

Trump on Cruz’s speaking style: “5 second intermissions between words.”
 
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