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Lily_Bernans said:
Polls were saying it was a tight race between Clinton and Sanders in New York, and she won nearly 60/40. I think Sanders was truly surprised. Polls cannot be trusted; at best, they should be given just a modicum of credence. Much depends on how the poll was conducted.
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What poll had Clinton and Sanders close in New York? Real clear politics lists nineteen polls, and seventeen of them Clinton lead Sanders by double digits in New York. The Real clear politics average gave her 11.7 points average and it ended up being 16 points: realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_democratic_presidential_primary-4221.html
 
_Abyssinia said:
What poll had Clinton and Sanders close in New York? Real clear politics lists nineteen polls, and seventeen of them Clinton lead Sanders by double digits in New York. The Real clear politics average gave her 11.7 points average and it ended up being 16 points: realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_democratic_presidential_primary-4221.html
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I have found 538 (Nate Silver) to have excellent and understandable polling. They’ve been spot on in almost all of the primaries. They certainly called NY for Hillary.

I agree, though, that polling is tricky business.

That said, a moderate Democrat (HRC) will handily beat an extreme-right Republican this year. That’s only my opinion, of course, but even Republican pundits admit this. Trump stands a much better chance of beating HRC than Cruz does. Cruz has strong pockets of support - Trump crosses aisles across the country.
 
Little_Sheep said:
I have found 538 (Nate Silver) to have excellent and understandable polling. They’ve been spot on in almost all of the primaries. They certainly called NY for Hillary.

I agree, though, that polling is tricky business.

That said, a moderate Democrat (HRC) will handily beat an extreme-right Republican this year. That’s only my opinion, of course, but even Republican pundits admit this. Trump stands a much better chance of beating HRC than Cruz does. Cruz has strong pockets of support - Trump crosses aisles across the country.
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I don’t live in a country that would elect Trump. youtube.com/watch?v=QGlACrp1rG0
 
Little_Sheep said:
I have found 538 (Nate Silver) to have excellent and understandable polling. They’ve been spot on in almost all of the primaries. They certainly called NY for Hillary.

I agree, though, that polling is tricky business.

That said, a moderate Democrat (HRC) will handily beat an extreme-right Republican this year. That’s only my opinion, of course, but even Republican pundits admit this. Trump stands a much better chance of beating HRC than Cruz does. Cruz has strong pockets of support - Trump crosses aisles across the country.
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If Trump “stands a better chance” against Clinton, then why in numerous polls is Cruz doing better in match ups against her than Trump?
 
_Abyssinia said:
If Trump “stands a better chance” against Clinton, then why in numerous polls is Cruz doing better in match ups against her than Trump?
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Hey, when tons of Democrats tell us that Trump stands a better chance against Hillary it surely must be true, no? 😉
 
gracepoole said:
It’s so painful. I want to bleach my brain.
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I can’t really understand the ‘date my daughter’ thing. I can’t imagine ever hearing that said and not thinking the man who said is has something severely wrong with him.
 
Little_Sheep said:
I have found 538 (Nate Silver) to have excellent and understandable polling. They’ve been spot on in almost all of the primaries. They certainly called NY for Hillary.

I agree, though, that polling is tricky business.

That said, a moderate Democrat (HRC) will handily beat an extreme-right Republican this year. That’s only my opinion, of course, but even Republican pundits admit this. Trump stands a much better chance of beating HRC than Cruz does. Cruz has strong pockets of support - Trump crosses aisles across the country.
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Hillary is no moderate. Delve into her background a little. The GOP candidate that polls show can beat Hillary is Kasich. The other two would lose to Hillary.
 
Peter_J said:
Well, I think Cruz would have fighting chance.
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Republicans have elected who they perceived as moderate presidential candidates for the past two election in the belief that more conservative choices are un-electable.

GWB likewise squeaked by running as a moderate on a ‘compassionate conservative’ platform in his first presidential election, so in recent times Republicans are one for three on that strategy.

It is very possible that Americans will reject the conservative platform of Cruz, just as they have already rejected the more moderate platform of other Republican candidates. But if Cruz gets the nod, and Americans do chose Clintonian corruption over Republican conservatism that in itself would be useful in clearly demonstrating to American conservatives that America is no longer a conservative country.
That in itself would be useful information to have.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Republicans have elected who they perceived as moderate presidential candidates for the past two election in the belief that more conservative choices are un-electable.

GWB likewise squeaked by running as a moderate on a ‘compassionate conservative’ platform in his first presidential election, so in recent times Republicans are one for three on that strategy.

It is very possible that Americans will reject the conservative platform of Cruz, just as they have already rejected the more moderate platform of other Republican candidates. But if Cruz gets the nod, and Americans do chose Clintonian corruption over Republican conservatism that in itself would be useful in clearly demonstrating to American conservatives that America is no longer a conservative country.
That in itself would be useful information to have.
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You are correct, but would be a terrible way to find out. I think we would end up with Hillary who will continue to take us down the road to mediocrity IMO.
 
mary_bobo said:
You are correct, but would be a terrible way to find out. I think we would end up with Hillary who will continue to take us down the road to mediocrity IMO.
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The Republicans voters should nominate the candidate that best represents them and so far that is Mr. Trump.
 
mary_bobo said:
You are correct, but would be a terrible way to find out. I think we would end up with Hillary who will continue to take us down the road to mediocrity IMO.
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It is not as if choosing Trump would not also have as high, or even higher probability of a Clinton victory.

The numbers already rule anyone else out, so those are the choices.

It is a good time for conservatives to rally around the conservative choice.
 
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