Crystal Cathedral board endorses offer from Diocese of Orange

[Faithdancer]

I want to hear them do this on that massive Crystal Cathedral calliope.
youtu.be/nTOKXtPtKfI
Sorry the video is fuzzy, I didn’t post it, must be a cell phone video. But the music is from heaven, brings tears to my eyes every time.

 

[Dale_M]

I want to hear them do this on that massive Crystal Cathedral calliope.

Is that the wrong link? It appears to be to a Montreal performance.

Here is a link which shows the Crystal Cathedral organ being played. I can only imagine what it sounds like in person!
youtube.com/watch?v=_E7f00J0hDw

 

[TarkanAttila]

Arkadin…I believe he is speaking ironically. He does not really think that Versailles, one of the wonders of the world, should be dismantled, or that the Smithsonian should sell off it’s collections and give to the poor. Besides which even if this were taken seriously, the money that could be raised would be a fraction of what a few of the world’s richest men and women are worth. Perhaps more of them should emulate Bill and Melinda Gates, whom I used to criticize but now admire for their pledge, and follow through, for giving the majority of their wealth to charity.

Charity, whatever the case, should come from the desire to do right by your fellow man, though - not because the CCCP told you to, nor because Uncle Sam said to. And not because you want to look charitable. Charity is giving up what you love so that others may not perish, but may have life, and love.

 

[Faithdancer]

Charity, whatever the case, should come from the desire to do right by your fellow man, though - not because the CCCP told you to, nor because Uncle Sam said to. And not because you want to look charitable. Charity is giving up what you love so that others may not perish, but may have life, and love.

I fundamentally agree with you. However I’m not familiar enough with the Gates to know what their motivation truly is, one would have to ask them. But I think they are giving more than they are forced to, and perhaps they experience some spiritual peace from giving. Who can see into their hearts, but God?,

 

[Faithdancer]

Is that the wrong link? It appears to be to a Montreal performance.

Here is a link which shows the Crystal Cathedral organ being played. I can only imagine what it sounds like in person!
youtube.com/watch?v=_E7f00J0hDw

No, it’s the right link. I’m just saying this is the kind of spiritually compelling Midnight Mass I hope they do at Crystal Cathedral, should it come to pass that the Diocese of Orange takes it over. But I’m a pushover for huge choral music, especially at Christmastime.

 

[SonCatcher]

Here’s an updated article. It appears the diocese is in a bidding war with a Protestant-affiliated school. Meanwhile, Crystal Cathedral Ministries’ insistence they are going to keep the church falls on deaf ears.

It’s actually getting kind of exciting (or terrifying, depending on your point-of-view).

 

[SonCatcher]

From the just-referenced article:
“I believe with every fiber of my being that God turned the eyes of the world on Crystal Cathedral because God wants to make a big bold statement,” Sheila Coleman, director of ministry at the church and the daughter of Schuller, said during the service.

If God turned the Cathedral over to the Catholic Church, that would be a bold statement, indeed.

 

[CatholicFireman]

Here’s the latest on the bid:

news.yahoo.com/crystal-cathedral-bankruptcy-sale-sparks-bidding-war-013954680.html

 

[Dale_M]

News Update

The fundraising appeal to prevent a sale is failing badly

A month after announcing a “miracle faith” campaign to raise $50 million by Thanksgiving, the congregation had collected $4,737.

That figure, the total raised as of Aug. 31, was buried in a report filed last week in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Santa Ana. The cathedral will update the report in two to three weeks, attorney Marc Winthrop said.

The Schullers and their congregation, however, are in a race against a courtroom clock. Although Coleman set a Thanksgiving deadline for raising $50 million, creditors could decide the cathedral’s fate weeks earlier.

On Oct. 24 creditors will vote on selling the cathedral, as their attorneys recommend, to get back what they’re owed. If they approve that step, the attorneys will recommend a buyer to Bankruptcy Judge Robert Kwan on Oct. 31. Kwan will decide whether to approve the sale two weeks later, on Nov. 14.

today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44737735/ns/local_news-orange_county_ca/#.Tolae7LqJI4

 

[YoungTradCath]

I seriously hope they can get some cash, and not from the diocese.

 

[SonCatcher]

News Update

The fundraising appeal to prevent a sale is failing badly

A month after announcing a “miracle faith” campaign to raise $50 million by Thanksgiving, the congregation had collected $4,737

I had to read the article carefully to make sure that was reported right. I’m sure they could have turned out more from the congregation checking their couch cushions.

For a little bit of scale, $4737 is less than [sup]1[/sup]/[sub]100[/sub] of 1%.:bigyikes:

 

[Warrenton]

Free Dorothy!!!

 

[Cactus]

If the organ comes with it, I’d say it’s a great deal!

 

[Wolseley]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/St_Mary's_Cathedral_-San_Francisco.jpg/300px-St_Mary%27s_Cathedral-_San_Francisco.jpg

Looks like the fins on a WWII-type gravity bomb that failed to explode and buried itself in the ground.

http://www.cttmadera.cl/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/col_som-portada.jpg

The cooling tower for a nuclear power plant.



The concrete holding tank at a water-treatment facility.

I just can’t imagine Holy Mass in this monstrosity. Better that it becomes … anything else but a Catholic Cathedral. Ugh!!!

~Liza

Oh, I don’t know…it’s no worse than any of the others above, and in many cases, better. I don’t know if I’d want to be inside during a severe earthquake, though.

http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/g...arden-grove_crystal-cathedral_interior_lg.jpg

Actually, if you look at the interior, it looks like it wouldn’t take a whole lot of redesign to bring the interior into line for a Catholic Mass. The pews are oriented very similarly to a standard Catholic church (although the pool down the center aisle has to go). The organ placement isn’t really a problem. In fact, it’s supposed to be a superb organ, so that’s actually a plus. The choir location up front could be moved to the rear balcony, and everything in front of that could be removed and replaced with a standard altar and lectern setup. Large Stations of the Cross could be placed on the wall areas just underneath the balconies. The large floor-to-ceiling windows on either side of the front of the church could be replaced with stained glass. A beautiful crucifix could be hung in the gap just above the front organ pipes.

I’m inclined to agree, although I personally favor Gothic architecture, myself.

Be kind of cool if they bought it, I think.

 

[Dale_M]

News Update:

Crystal Cathedral board OKs Chapman University purchase offer

Crystal Cathedral Ministries’ board of directors have “reluctantly” endorsed Chapman University’s proposal to buy the 40-acre church campus for $50 million, church officials said Wednesday.

Chapman University and the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange, which offered $53.6 million in cash, were the top bidders for the financially ailing cathedral. Crystal Cathedral Ministries filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Oct. 18.

Senior Pastor Sheila Schuller Coleman, daughter of Crystal Cathedral founder Robert H. Schuller, said in a statement that the board “had to reluctantly vote to accept a plan due to deadlines required by the court.”

ocregister.com/news/cathedral-323935-crystal-university.html

The attorney representing the Diocese of Orange called the announcement “extremely disappointing. We believe we had the highest and best offer.” However, he held out the hope that the court may decide to accept the offer made by the diocese.

 

[SonCatcher]

Thanks, Dale.

I have long suspected just what Mr. Martin said. The court and creditors would have to choose to let the diocese buy the property. The creditors have apparently endorsed both Chapman and the diocese so unless they have a change of opinion that the Chapman offer is somehow unacceptable, it would be up to the court to give purchase right to the diocese.

Actually, I would be concerned about the ability of CCM to continue maintaining the Cathedral long term given their slipping influence even were they to keep use of the facility. Rick Warren or Greg Laurie would probably make better use of it.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

There is a Catholic news article nearby stating that the French are going to demolish some of their Gothic churches.

Perhaps the Diocese of Orange could purchase those French Gothic church buildings and move them to California, stone by stone.

[There are some precedents … for example, seems to me that a historic stone bridge in London was relocated to Las Vegas … at Lake Havasu … If I spelled it correctly.]

 

[Dale_M]

There is a Catholic news article nearby stating that the French are going to demolish some of their Gothic churches.

Perhaps the Diocese of Orange could purchase those French Gothic church buildings and move them to California, stone by stone.

This is being done right here in the US, with a Catholic church in Buffalo, New York being dismantled stone by stone, and then reconstructed nearly 900 miles away in Norcross, Georgia.

The church would be deconstructed, piece by piece, each piece numbered, packed, trucked south and reassembled. About 80% of St Gerard’s would be reused: the exterior limestone, oak pews, stained glass, stations of the cross and confessionals; and the granite columns.

Harrison says the new church would look almost exactly like St. Gerard’s but have a new steel skeleton, a new foundation, roof, floor and heating and air-conditioning systems, and a larger choir loft. The plaster ceiling, including the coronation fresco, may be impossible to move, and would have to be recreated.

The project can be done in 18 to 24 months, Dye says, and could begin as soon as this summer. He puts the cost at $14 million to $16 million, including a payment to the diocese. That’s twice as much as the church Harrison designed, and one-half to one-third of what it would cost to recreate the grandeur of St. Gerard’s today. The parish has $3 million and plans to raise and borrow the rest.

usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-02-03-closing-churches_N.htm

That news story is now 18 months old. Does anyone know how it turned out?

 

[psr13]

There is a Catholic news article nearby stating that the French are going to demolish some of their Gothic churches.

Perhaps the Diocese of Orange could purchase those French Gothic church buildings and move them to California, stone by stone.

[There are some precedents … for example, seems to me that a historic stone bridge in London was relocated to Las Vegas … at Lake Havasu … If I spelled it correctly.]

That would be neat, but I don’t know that they would be able to meet earthquake codes here. French Gothic would also look really out of place.

 

[YoungTradCath]

That would be neat, but I don’t know that they would be able to meet earthquake codes here. French Gothic would also look really out of place.

Is there something wrong with being uniquely Catholic against all the city nastiness?