Crystal Cathedral board endorses offer from Diocese of Orange

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If they haved all this money why not build a beautiful Catholic Church, you know a real one like those beauty in Europa. many will come to and will be converted due to the beauty of the Church.

what are these people thinking trying to buy more modernization from protestants? God my God, why have you forsaken us?
It would cost way more than this to build something of that size. Most people don’t understand just how expensive it is to build buildings here. The major expense is often making it pass earthquake codes. Plus, anything the diocese builds will be modern looking.
 
Does the Diocese of Orange really need a $50 million dollar monstrosity where greater concerns need to be addressed. A humblier cathederal, please!
 
Does the Diocese of Orange really need a $50 million dollar monstrosity where greater concerns need to be addressed. A humblier cathederal, please!
They were planning to spend over $100M building one, so by some interpretation this could well be the “humbler” option.
 
Does the Diocese of Orange really need a $50 million dollar monstrosity where greater concerns need to be addressed. A humblier cathederal, please!
Again, buildings are expensive out here. First of all, land is extremely expensive. Second of all, it is extremely expensive to meet all of the codes we have here. A building the size of a cathedral is going to cost a lot of money.
 
Purchasing the Crystal Cathedral campus for $57.5 million would be wonderful for the Diocese of Orange County for a number of reasons. First, it would give the Church an extremely visible and monumental presence in OC by using the remarkable campus for the greater glory of God.

It would also be a stunning bargain. For $57.5M they would get:
the Crystal Cathedral
the Bell Spire with a full carillon of expensive bronze bells
the Tower of Hope that houses offices and a chapel
the Arboretum which was the original 1,200 seat Garden Grove Community Church
the Family Lounge and the Art Gallery (the parish halls.)
the Welcoming Center (offices and conferencing center)
and the Family Life Center (a full k-12 school.)

The Welcoming Center and the Family Life Center alone are over 200,000 square feet. In addition they would get 41 acres of fully developed OC land (worth more than $57.5 million as a vacant lot) and a ton of parking. It’s a terrific bargain.

It would serve the 1.3 million Catholics of the Diocese very well. I toured the campus 2 weeks ago and I am absolutely certain it is a good fit for the Church. Sadly I think those who denigrate the Crystal Cathedral have never set foot in it and that’s very sad. Sad because it shows just how ignorant and angry some people are. Anyone believing they can judge the campus from a snapshot or two is kidding themselves. They should also know better than to render public condemnations with such little information. Most such people are not aware the structure is a huge cruciform. They have no idea just how visible the altar would be to everyone or the stunning light that filters into the edifice. They have no idea that the pipe organ would be the largest one is ANY Catholic edifice in the entire WORLD or that the building can seat 3,000 Catholics.

One final reminder. “Gothic” architecture got its name from those who demeaned the style when it was first evolving. Fans of established Romanesque and Byzantine architecture universally looked down upon Gothic architecture. The same was true here in California where our beloved Mission Style was judged to be crude, ugly and unworthy of sacred used by many in Europe.

I will continue to pray tonight that the Diocese is successful tomorrow in obtaining the Crystal Cathedral campus.
 
I will add one more thing. My greatest fear is that the Diocese will purchase the campus and then spend a huge amount of money “redecorating” the cathedral and in the process they will do a very poor job of it.

This obviously isn’t a building with a ton of bric-a-brac or furnishings in it to drown-out bad choices. Every addition to the church, from the altar to the ambo to the main crucifix needs to be chosen with extreme care and everything needs to match. I would engage one of Philip Johnson’s former associates to consult on this matter.

I think it might be prudent for Bishop Todd Brown to focus on cleaning-up the campus and bringing the building maintenance up to speed while leaving the actual redecoration to his coming successor.
 
Something that comes into play now is that Bishop Brown turns 75 today and has to submit his resignation. If Rome chooses to accept it speedily, will the diocese be able to continue to pursue this purchase-I’m not an expert in canon law so I don’t know if an expenditure of this kind can be made if the see is vacant. And there’s no guarantee that buying this building is something the next bishop would even want, but if the sale goes ahead he would be stuck with it.
Even if his resignation is immediately accepted it would take some time to process it and the deal would already be done. For $57.5 million it would be a stunning deal. I suspect everyone from the Pope on down is aware of this. As a man of great culture and of the arts I am sure the Pope would approve of the Crystal Cathedral, particularly at such a good price.

Any incoming bishop would be foolish not be to extremely grateful to own this remarkable campus. Not having to invest the time in building a new Cathedral would be of huge benefit to any bishop.
 
If they haved all this money why not build a beautiful Catholic Church, you know a real one like those beauty in Europa. many will come to and will be converted due to the beauty of the Church.

what are these people thinking trying to buy more modernization from protestants? God my God, why have you forsaken us?
MILLIONS already come to the Crystal Cathedral. Imagine how many more would come it if was an actual cathedral…
 
Does the Diocese of Orange really need a $50 million dollar monstrosity where greater concerns need to be addressed. A humblier cathederal, please!
Given the style of the other modern cathedrals in Southern California, they would probably end up building an even worse monstrosity at twice the cost - perhaps in the style of the Taj Mahoney, Our Lady of Maytag, or that oversized sawmill beehive burner in Oakland…
 
If you don’t like the artistic vision of such architecture that is one thing, but modern aesthetics != modernism in the heretical sense – and to say ‘it would just be too distracting from worship’ is to pull the iconoclastic Protestant card.
 
The judge’s decision is expected today. But the bidding war continues.
On Wednesday, Chapman University increased its bid to $59 million, in a challenge to the Diocese’s of Orange’s $57.5 increase offer made Monday, as reported by CP.
The Schullers prefer the university, which has a Protestant background. Yet the Catholic diocese has been increasing its bids aggressively throughout the case, and is currently the highest bidder.
christianpost.com/news/crystal-cathedral-congregants-anxious-as-decision-in-bankruptcy-sale-likely-to-fall-tonight-62159/

If that last sentence is correct, then the diocese must have countered yesterday’s increased bid by Chapman.
 
The judge’s decision is expected today. But the bidding war continues.

christianpost.com/news/crystal-cathedral-congregants-anxious-as-decision-in-bankruptcy-sale-likely-to-fall-tonight-62159/

If that last sentence is correct, then the diocese must have countered yesterday’s increased bid by Chapman.
The $59M bid apparently also denies CCM repurchase rights and offers a shorter lease (10 years). I don’t think Chapman is interested in letting CCM keep the Cathedral long term. They’re just offering more time and being ambiguous about what happens when the lease is up.
 
Reading the article, I feel sorry for the crystal cathedral members. I wish they could have kept their church.
 
Reading the article, I feel sorry for the crystal cathedral members. I wish they could have kept their church.
Yes, I think it is easy to feel compassion for the church members. I think we have all heard of the heartbreak felt when a Catholic parish is closed. Surely the pain the Crystal Cathedral members feel over the loss of their church is little different.

Yes, the church can continue in a new location. However, the brand of Crystal Cathedral was heavily invested in Robert Schuller and the building itself. With Schuller retired and his family feuding, with the building gone, and with the church still burdened with financial woes the members will be going through a hard time of doubt and reassessment.
 
Reading the article, I feel sorry for the crystal cathedral members. I wish they could have kept their church.
Indeed that would have been preferable if possible. Unfortunately, they were forced to choose between moving out in 3 years and having a new church building or moving out in 10 or 15 years and having to figure out where to go.
 
The Catholic Diocese of Orange has been selected as the purchaser of the Crystal Cathedral property.
The Catholic church would purchase the property and allow the Crystal Cathedral to lease back core buildings for a limited time. After three years the cathedral’s ministry would have to find a new home, possibly at St. Callistus, a diocesan church down the street.
From: latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/crystal-cathedral-robert-schuller.html

This Wikipedia article has a few images: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Cathedral
 
The Catholic Diocese of Orange has been selected as the purchaser of the Crystal Cathedral property.
That will be true if the judge decides to follow the wishes of the Crystal Cathedral board. The judge was supposed to announce a decision today, but that doesn’t seem likely at this point (4:45 pm in California)
 
Okay… one more last minute bid from Chapman
Despite the Crystal Cathedral board’s new endorsement of the Roman Catholic Diocese’s $57.5- million offer for the Garden Grove church and its campus, Chapman University on Thursday changed the terms of its now three-option offer.
The amended offer was made during a court hearing in Santa Ana, where Judge Robert Kwan was expected to decide on the buyer.
Chapman’s latest option, which includes a $59-million purchase price, was amended to offer the Crystal Cathedral $1 monthly rent for the first 10 years for core buildings, instead of $25,000 per month for core buildings. The Crystal Cathedral would be available for Sunday services. After the first 10 years the rent would be $25,000 per month.
The offer does not allow the ministry to buy back the core buildings.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/crystal-cathedral-chapman-university.html
 
If this does go through what is the plan for the property? Would it become the new cathedral for the diocese or something else?
 
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