Curious about contemplative prayer

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Julia_Mae said:
She is the great expert on mysticism. .
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I would not call her *the *great expert on mysticism but she did write on the subject from her particular perspective (which I imagine Catholic authors on Spiritual Theology might not always agree with).
 
Julia_Mae said:
Oh, I see. hmmmm Well, I think the thing about that is that God does do it all. If you are called to contemplation, it can be a fairly sudden but irresistible, almost, drawing to this sort of prayer. I don’t think one needs to be “advanced” as much as called. I also can’t imagine what in it anyone is very concerned with.

Besides, I think a woman wrote it. 😉
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Yes certainly God can choose to give someone infused contemplation when he decides…though usually I think it can be said that such comes later.

And it is is important to note there are various schools of thought in terms of contemplation --both acquired and infused.

As to the concern —the Author himself was the* first *to caution potential readers of his work.

To my knowledge no one has ever thought it was a woman who wrote it.

Though perhaps you can discover who it was and get rich from the book you write showing it was a woman …named Ann who was a milkmaid in an English Farm outside of London in the 14th Century 😉 (if you do though …remember me…my wife and I need more books)
 
I note this one again – for it is a very small work that is very helpful

Do not let the simple sounding name keep you from its riches --it is very good.

scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=557

frjacquesphilippe.com/themes/themes.html

Recommend by the one who was my favorite professor at Steubenville:

frjacquesphilippe.com/testimonials/testimonials.html

and by Fr. Groeschel

All of the authors little books are works of art (I think you and read the first chapter or at least an excerpt on the publishers website)
 
Bookcat said:
Very important document from the Holy See: vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19891015_meditazione-cristiana_en.html

Very short but very rich --be sure to read it slowly.

Quote:

“The love of God, the sole object of Christian contemplation, is a reality which cannot be “mastered” by any method or technique. On the contrary, we must always have our sights fixed on Jesus Christ…”
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Yes. Contemplation itself is a gift from God that cannot be earned, but it can be invited. Contemplative prayer forms are methods of prayer that invite contemplation – since one does not “achieve” it.

Alan
 
JimR-OCDS said:
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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That being said. God dwells in all human beings. If he didn’t they’d cease to exist.

For the Baptized however, the knowledge of the Holy Trinity being present within, is a gift the unbelievers do not share. With this knowledge, we are able to reach out to Him dwelling within and receive the transforming graces of His love.

The Baptized have the gifts of the Holy Spirit available to them, where the unbeliever, doesn’t even know they exist.

Jim
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Jim, I wanted to quote you again. I know you have caught some flak on CAF over the years, but wanted to say this has been an eye opening thread for me in refference to the indwelling. Probably one of my biggest, unknown obstacles behind finding out the Divinity of Jesus. I have been able to reason a lot of things since an intervention by the Lord in 2005. But as always, He leaves room for seeking and faith. Thanks, Samson
 
Bookcat said:
To my knowledge no one has ever thought it was a woman who wrote it.
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Actually, that’s not true. To your knowledge at least one person thinks a woman wrote it. I’ve talked to other women contemplatives who agree. So, you think 14th century milkmaids were commonly literate? I wonder why you would characterize the author in this way?

There’s a reason it’s anonymous, and, obviously, no one will ever know who wrote it. Or what gender they were.
 
Julia_Mae said:
Actually, that’s not true. To your knowledge at least one person thinks a woman wrote it. I’ve talked to other women contemplatives who agree. So, you think 14th century milkmaids were commonly literate? I wonder why you would characterize the author in this way?

There’s a reason it’s anonymous, and, obviously, no one will ever know who wrote it. Or what gender they were.
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Why do you think a woman might have written it? Is it something about the “romantic” style?

Do you have the same thoughts about other works such as Song of Songs?
 
Julia_Mae said:
Actually, that’s not true. To your knowledge at least one person thinks a woman wrote it. I’ve talked to other women contemplatives who agree. So, you think 14th century milkmaids were commonly literate? I wonder why you would characterize the author in this way?
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I do not think it was a woman. It has though been attributed to Walter Hilton and to perhaps an English Carthusian etc

I thought you were joking there so I joked about writing a book about such a discovery …and used some imagination to fill it out --hence the milkmaid --makes for a better plot.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
Grow from better knowledge? OF COURSE this is Eastern meditation!!!

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Wrong. Not grow from knowledge, but inflate with hearsay and calumny if you believe them. The claims are false; he does not say the things the straw man of the articles says.

Funny how many people believe things without knowing, and hold to them when challenged by those who may have first hand information. Personally I only put up with being told I’m wrong a certain amount before I check my sources and make sure I have secure footing. I guess I’m relatively unique in that regard? :confused:
 
AlanFromWichita said:
Wrong. Not grow from knowledge, but inflate with hearsay and calumny if you believe them.

Not to mention the claims are false; he does not say the things the straw man of the articles says.

Funny how many people believe things without knowing, and hold to them when challenged. Personally I only put up with being told I’m wrong a certain amount before I check my sources and make sure I have secure footing. I guess I’m relatively unique in that regard? :confused:
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I used to do yoga, and Zen Buddhism. Believe me, I know Eastern thought when I see it.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
I used to do yoga, and Zen Buddhism. Believe me, I know Eastern thought when I see it.
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So that makes you an expert on CP?

If you want to discuss it, please send me an email through the forum with your return email, and we can discuss it. I’d like to hear how closely what you “see” in CP matches what actually takes place.
 
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