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JacquelineMary
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This may or may not be helpful but while I’ve been studying Christianity I also spent quite a lot of time researching other religions like Wicca and I can tell you that while it creeped me out at first, by the end of studying it’s history I was completely ambivalent to the whole thing, from the cultural appropriation of watered down shaman traditions to Gardner’s made up practices.
I do think though this would be possibly a good opportunity to talk to your daughter about how to interact with people who have a different faith!
I do think though this would be possibly a good opportunity to talk to your daughter about how to interact with people who have a different faith!
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Pup7
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So what you’re saying is every Native American before the arrival of the European - actually, every PERSON on God’s earth before the dawn of Christianity (aside from what I’m assuming would be the Jews) - went to hell?If a movement practices spells and curses, The Vatican labels it as Occult.
The Occult is not a religion but anything which involves magic and spells , the Vatican and Bible label as witchcraft.
The Book of Revelation states:
‘Homosexuals, fornicators, PRACTITIONERS OF MAGIC, OF THE OCCULT, will NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven, they will be cast into the burning lake of fire with Lucifer, the beast, the false prophet and all his angels. There they will be tormented night and day until the end of time. Their worm will not go out.’
Some ‘religion’ that is, The Bible and Vatican have said the practice of magic, is occult, is witchcraft, is grave matter (under the three conditions is a mortal sin), and under the pains of mortal sin has a consequence of Hell, if not repented of.
Oddly enough, Catholic or not, I really don’t buy that. And call me nuts, but I don’t think the Catechism says that either.
My very best friend, my keeper of secrets, my staunchest supporter second only to my family, is a Wiccan. She has been nothing but supportive of me, respects my faith, and says she’s glad to see me happy in the Catholic Church. We disagree on a LOT of things (LOL, as you can imagine) but that doesn’t change who she is to me.This may or may not be helpful but while I’ve been studying Christianity I also spent quite a lot of time researching other religions like Wicca and I can tell you that while it creeped me out at first, by the end of studying it’s history I was completely ambivalent to the whole thing, from the cultural appropriation of watered down shaman traditions to Gardner’s made up practices.
Her paganism does not affect me one bit. And I say prayers for her like I do all my friends.
She’s actually a better person than most of the “Christians” I run across.
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PetraG
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This is not how the Apostles dealt with the pagans, however, who surrounded them every day. They had a much more peaceable attitude in how they witnessed the faith. You draw more flies with sugar than with vinegar, after all.If a movement practices spells and curses, The Vatican labels it as Occult.
The Occult is not a religion but anything which involves magic and spells , the Vatican and Bible label as witchcraft.
The Book of Revelation states:
‘Homosexuals, fornicators, PRACTITIONERS OF MAGIC, OF THE OCCULT, will NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven, they will be cast into the burning lake of fire with Lucifer, the beast, the false prophet and all his angels. There they will be tormented night and day until the end of time. Their worm will not go out.’
Some ‘religion’ that is, The Bible and Vatican have said the practice of magic, is occult, is witchcraft, is grave matter (under the three conditions is a mortal sin), and under the pains of mortal sin has a consequence of Hell, if not repented of.
The OP’s daughter must be instructed to tell her friend, should the topic come up–and let us face it, at a public school religion does not come up often–that she does not pray to any but the one true God, but that she was told by her mother that most Wiccans will respect her faith and will not try to get her to depart from it so that the friend will be OK if she sticks with that. If that is not the case, though, she needs to tell the friend or her family that if they do not respect her faith and try to get her to worship gods other than the one God in any way whatsoever, she’ll need to part ways with them. She must be clear that there is no room whatsoever for compromise there. They may be ignorant of who God is; she is not ignorant and she must not give honor to any other god. Any suggestion that it is all the same is wrong-headed and needs to be rejected utterly and at all times.
In other words, do not hysterically preclude the friendship when there has been no offense, but very clearly put down the boundaries of what a serious and intolerable offense is considered to be. These are boundaries that can go both ways, so no one ought to consider them unfair or “intolerant,” yet they are not more lenient than the boundaries the early Church had in place.
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yankeesouth
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Heck even protestants and that even includes some who call themselves Catholic. Obviously protestantism comes from the devil but we don’t accuse them individually of such (unless it’s obvious). Actually I would be more wary of my child being friends with an evangelical than with paganism or the wacky new age stuff. That stuff is so far out there that it’s obvious that it is not of the Truth whereas protestantism can have some part of it. And liberal Catholics who should know better but dissent from a teaching of Jesus and cause scandal. Either way it is not what the other person believes but what you know to be the Truth. It is imperative to teach the child the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church because the battle is real and she will come upon this stuff more frequently as she gets older.
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TechieGuy
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This is certainly true…It is imperative to teach the child the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church because the battle is real and she will come upon this stuff more frequently as she gets older.
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JacquelineMary
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Happy to hear it!My very best friend, my keeper of secrets, my staunchest supporter second only to my family, is a Wiccan. She has been nothing but supportive of me, respects my faith, and says she’s glad to see me happy in the Catholic Church. We disagree on a LOT of things (LOL, as you can imagine) but that doesn’t change who she is to me.
My sister is into paganism as well. I don’t disrespect her and am learning to just be confident in how the holy spirit works in others.
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heidi_storage
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Hindu gods are just as much false gods as Wiccan gods.
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HolySpirit
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If I had children, I would not allow them to associate with Wiccans.
When they are 18 the can decide for themselves. Until they are an adult, they don’t need witchcraft in their lives. At 18,they can decide for themselves.
When they are 18 the can decide for themselves. Until they are an adult, they don’t need witchcraft in their lives. At 18,they can decide for themselves.
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Irishmom2
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What is your source for this comment?
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Pup7
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You know, after my dad retired, people used to tell their kids not to hang out with me (and this is a true story) because my dad was Catholic. (Or kids would find out and choose to not hang out with me because - dear Lord - there was a Catholic in my house.) I also knew kids whose parents weren’t in the military that were told not to hang out with us because our dad was in the military when he was on active duty. You’d think my dad was Typhoid Mary or something.
Wicca isn’t something you catch by sitting next to people at lunch. I wasn’t going to “rub Catholicism off” on my schoolmates because I was half-Catholic (yeah I got called that like it was some sort of heavy-handed epithet - ignorance can run rampant at any age and in any place) any more than I would’ve if I’d been “full” Catholic.
But you know what? My real friends talked to me and asked me questions and respected the fact that my dad didn’t agree with them in that regard. (Most of these kids had never met a Catholic. It was both funny and sad.)
It’s not like you can look at a person and know they’re Wiccan. They don’t wear identifying hats. And they’re not running around in flowers and robes casting spells.
If a child identified as gay, would you tell your kids not to talk to them? I’m not baiting you, I promise.
Learning starts at home. I think tolerance does as well.
Wicca isn’t something you catch by sitting next to people at lunch. I wasn’t going to “rub Catholicism off” on my schoolmates because I was half-Catholic (yeah I got called that like it was some sort of heavy-handed epithet - ignorance can run rampant at any age and in any place) any more than I would’ve if I’d been “full” Catholic.
But you know what? My real friends talked to me and asked me questions and respected the fact that my dad didn’t agree with them in that regard. (Most of these kids had never met a Catholic. It was both funny and sad.)
It’s not like you can look at a person and know they’re Wiccan. They don’t wear identifying hats. And they’re not running around in flowers and robes casting spells.
If a child identified as gay, would you tell your kids not to talk to them? I’m not baiting you, I promise.
Learning starts at home. I think tolerance does as well.
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lilypadrees
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All Wiccans are Pagan. But not all Pagans are Wiccan. Wiccans do worship false gods and goddesses. And Wiccans do cast spells.
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HolySpirit
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I had the same experience with the parents of a Baptist friend and Jewish friend. Their parents were close minded and foolish, but as an adult, I understand that they were doing what they thought was in their kid’s best interests.
I’ve also dated a Muslim, a Hindu, Jews, Protestants, Atheists & Agnostics and Catholics. I’ve also dated black and Latina women. I had a Muslim groomsman.
I attended a University in Washington, DC at the time was the most diverse in America. I had friends from more than 20 Countries, and a black roommate.
I would encourage my child to be friends with their families and to date their kids.
HOWEVER, I would never expose my child to witchcraft. I draw the line with Wiccans, Satanists, and practitioners of Voodoo. Because there are doors that should not be opened. As a parent, my children would have no business being anywhere near those doors.
I’ll never be a parent. That ship has sailed. But if I was a parent, I really would not care what others think. My child’s welfare would be more important than the latest politically correct fad. There are reasons why there are Exorcists, and I would not want my family to find out why.
I used to have Wiccan friends before I returned to the Church. I don’t miss them. If you want to be friends with Wiccans, Satanists or Voodoo practitioners, it is your call. You probably should not ask my opinion on your choice of friends. I don’t think you would like my answer.
I’ve also dated a Muslim, a Hindu, Jews, Protestants, Atheists & Agnostics and Catholics. I’ve also dated black and Latina women. I had a Muslim groomsman.
I attended a University in Washington, DC at the time was the most diverse in America. I had friends from more than 20 Countries, and a black roommate.
I would encourage my child to be friends with their families and to date their kids.
HOWEVER, I would never expose my child to witchcraft. I draw the line with Wiccans, Satanists, and practitioners of Voodoo. Because there are doors that should not be opened. As a parent, my children would have no business being anywhere near those doors.
I’ll never be a parent. That ship has sailed. But if I was a parent, I really would not care what others think. My child’s welfare would be more important than the latest politically correct fad. There are reasons why there are Exorcists, and I would not want my family to find out why.
I used to have Wiccan friends before I returned to the Church. I don’t miss them. If you want to be friends with Wiccans, Satanists or Voodoo practitioners, it is your call. You probably should not ask my opinion on your choice of friends. I don’t think you would like my answer.
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Alex337
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If they actually practice wicca a person can’t be involved until they’re either 16 or 18.
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Alex337
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Already said but Wiccans don’t worship Satan.What point?
So its fine to stop a daughter being friends with drug addicts or alcoholics,
But it’s outrageous to stop one’s daughter being friends with a family that worships satan in the occult?
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PetraG
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Well, they tend to go by the rule of threes, which is that everything they send out will come back on them three times over. They’re not likely to give you the evil eye.All Wiccans are Pagan. But not all Pagans are Wiccan. Wiccans do worship false gods and goddesses. And Wiccans do cast spells.
I had a relative who was into some New Age thing and he asked me to join in some worldwide prayer hour they did. I spent the time in prayer to the Holy Spirit, to have mercy on them because of their good intention and to guard them from spirits unknown who might prey upon their vulnerable state. (Just because something is well-intended does not mean it will come to a good end).
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PetraG
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From what I gather, this is at the discretion of the teacher. They have been known to make exceptions for the children of Wiccans, but avoid teaching those whose families aren’t Wiccan before the seeker is an adult.
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Wiccans generally say that the powers they try to learn about are neutral tools, neither bad nor good but something that can be used for bad ends or good, but that their coven would put out any member who purposefully tried to use magic to harm anyone. Granted, a coven that was OK with hurting enemies wouldn’t be likely to be open about that, as it would be bad PR. Having said that, if you read the stuff put out by those who call themselves satanists, you get a totally different each-for-himself-and-we-don’t-suffer-fools-or-hypocrites-pushing-so-called-empathy vibe. It is quite different from the ideologies you hear from self-identified Wiccans.
I think some are in it for the novelty or the shock value or to scandalize their Christian family, but I don’t think the movement stays alive on the strength of that. I tend to believe that Wiccans who stick with it do try to be what they say they are trying to be. I think their gods and goddesses are imaginary and leave them very vulnerable to any spirit that comes along and “masquerades as an angel of light,” (2 Cor. 11:14) so I feel serious spiritual concern for them. If they are Wiccan only out of being seekers in good faith who are afflicted with invincible ignorance, we must pray that nothing evil comes upon them as they seek the best they can. May the Holy Spirit protect them from all harm and bring them to knowledge and belief in the one true God, the One whom all true seekers truly seek, if they only knew it.
(Frequently Asked Questions)
Wiccans generally say that the powers they try to learn about are neutral tools, neither bad nor good but something that can be used for bad ends or good, but that their coven would put out any member who purposefully tried to use magic to harm anyone. Granted, a coven that was OK with hurting enemies wouldn’t be likely to be open about that, as it would be bad PR. Having said that, if you read the stuff put out by those who call themselves satanists, you get a totally different each-for-himself-and-we-don’t-suffer-fools-or-hypocrites-pushing-so-called-empathy vibe. It is quite different from the ideologies you hear from self-identified Wiccans.
I think some are in it for the novelty or the shock value or to scandalize their Christian family, but I don’t think the movement stays alive on the strength of that. I tend to believe that Wiccans who stick with it do try to be what they say they are trying to be. I think their gods and goddesses are imaginary and leave them very vulnerable to any spirit that comes along and “masquerades as an angel of light,” (2 Cor. 11:14) so I feel serious spiritual concern for them. If they are Wiccan only out of being seekers in good faith who are afflicted with invincible ignorance, we must pray that nothing evil comes upon them as they seek the best they can. May the Holy Spirit protect them from all harm and bring them to knowledge and belief in the one true God, the One whom all true seekers truly seek, if they only knew it.
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Alex337
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That’s fair, there are a lot of sects. I believe Gardnerian and (iirc) Alexandrian wicca have the age limit as all practitioners are also, essentially, priests and that requires maturity.
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Pup7
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I have no reason to ask for your opinion, as I’m not concerned with what it might be.I used to have Wiccan friends before I returned to the Church. I don’t miss them. If you want to be friends with Wiccans, Satanists or Voodoo practitioners, it is your call. You probably should not ask my opinion on your choice of friends. I don’t think you would like my answer.
She’s not a Satanist or a Voodoo practitioner. Those aren’t even remotely related to Wicca.
How many people of different faiths you’ve had over the years and how many different women you’ve dated from other faiths really doesn’t matter to me in the least, either. That reminds me of, “I’m not racist - my best friend is black!”
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