Daughter has a friend involved in WICCA

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HolySpirit said:
Intolerant is a synonym for bigot.
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The synonym is actually “bigoted”, and I would guess the average Joe would agree that the word bigot carries heavy implications far beyond one being merely intolerant.

That would be the end of my discussion, lest the thread continue to stray.
 
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OP, if your daughter is going to be interacting with someone in regular contact with the occult, I suggest having her wear a miraculous medal or some other blessed object.
 
redbetta said:
OP, if your daughter is going to be interacting with someone in regular contact with the occult, I suggest having her wear a miraculous medal or some other blessed object.
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This is superstition and not the appropriate use of a blessed object.

You don’t want to be training your children that they have to have a Miraculous Medal or St. Benedict’s Medal or crucifix on to protect against witches. That’s just wrong.
 
It’s not to protect against people, but any evil spirits that may be around them.

I can’t stand how people are brushing the OP’s concerns off. Spiritual evil does exist and people dabbling with the occult make themselves vulnerable to it.
 
HolySpirit said:
You have a right to your opinion, and I have a right to mine. I believe that Wiccans, Satanists and practitioners of Voodoo are conducting practices that are evil.

I am not alone in this belief. Frankly, you are being intolerant with people who do not agree with you.
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HolySpirit said:
Intolerant is a synonym for bigot. They are one in the same.

You are the person who keeps responding to me.

God bless you.
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These posts are almost a satire of themselves.

It reminds me of someone I once knew whose boyfriend told her he was going to become a Wiccan. He asked her if that bothered her. Her response to him was (and I am not making this up!):
“No, I can tolerate it… I think you’re going to Hell, but I can tolerate it.”
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
At age 11 I thought of witches as Halloween costume characters and funny creatures off the cartoons like Broomhilda, Witchie-Poo, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and Glinda the Good Witch. I’d dressed up as a witch for Halloween. I played a popular kid’s board game called “Which Witch?” I read a bunch of kids’ books about kids experimenting, generally in some comical way, with witchcraft. My friends and I used to go in the backyard and cast pretend spells.

The only thing that would have scared me would be if adults reacted with some kind of shock or horror to any of this, or to Wiccans.
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It is important not to go ballistic when children engage in magical thinking as party of their fantasy life, but there gets to be a point where children really can engage in occult practices that are dangerous to them because they don’t distinguish between reality and fantasy. Fairy tales that use magic as a plot device aren’t going to make children into practitioners of witchcraft, but children do need to know that dabbling in the occult in any real way is morally wrong and spiritually dangerous.

Yes, children need to know that using ouija boards or tarot cards is a violation of the 1st commandment. Of course they do. If you use a “magic 8 ball” as a form of the game “mad libs,” where people make up silly stories by randomly putting nouns into a story they don’t get to hear until it is written, that is one thing. If you actually take it in any degree as a vehicle of divination, though, that is something else again.
 
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Even if it is at my expense, if I gave someone a smile, it has been a good day. 😀
 
HolySpirit said:
Even if it is at my expense, if I gave someone a smile, it has been a good day. 😀
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It is good to have a sense of humor.

I hear what you’re trying to say, but bigotry and intolerance aren’t quite the same thing. Intolerance is refusal to tolerate in the broad sense; it is a neutral term. A reasonable person will be tolerant of certain views and intolerant of others. It is not reasonable, for instance, to tolerate the view that the earth is flat and has endless waterfalls at the edges that ships can fall off of. That idea is plainly false and should not be tolerated. Bigotry is rejection of ideas simply because they aren’t yours. If you think someone is wrong-headed because they like coconut and you don’t, that is a bigotry against coconut. (One can also be bigoted in favor of one’s own prejudices, which I think is how bigoted and prejudiced came to be used as essentially interchangeable terms.)

In the case of religion, we must be careful because some people are afflicted with invincible ignorance. They may be seeking the truth to the best of their ability and yet not have the grace to embrace that which faith would lead them to believe. Such a person is not culpable and may even be judged by Heaven to have lived a virtuous and praiseworthy life, having made the most of a very limited field vision beyond their control. Heaven knows the heart, and knows who will embrace the truth whenever they are given to see it.
 
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redbetta said:
I can’t stand how people are brushing the OP’s concerns off. Spiritual evil does exist and people dabbling with the occult make themselves vulnerable to it.
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If the 11-year-old daughter was dabbling with the occult, or participating in any sort of rituals with these people, then yes, that is a huge concern and she should be made to stop.

However, we don’t get infected with the occult from being around Wiccans, New Agers, or anything else in a social setting not involving religion. We don’t catch demonic possession from them like catching the flu. Wearing a medal like a protective amulet is putting the medal on the same level as hanging a garlic clove around your neck to keep vampires away.

Mother Mary and Jesus and St. Joseph, St. Michael, Guardian angels, etc. protect a Catholic even if they don’t happen to have their medal on because they lost it, forgot it or just find it kind of a bother to wear. We mustn’t lose sight of that fact when using our sacramentals. Especially when it’s a child, because otherwise she may worry, as children do, that she lost her medal so now a demon is going to fly in and get her.
 
I grew up in a very New Agey-type place. Lots of Wiccans, crystal users, blah blah. They weren’t nearly as dangerous as the secularists, in my opinion, because most New Age types are pretty live-and-let-live (at least where I grew up) whereas secularists want to quash any belief in God.

Any worldview that isn’t a Christian worldview is, ultimately, evil and will lead us to Hell. This includes Wicca, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Jainism, modern Judaism, atheism, and agnosticism. Parents certainly have the right to choose how their children will be exposed to such things, but I would caution against trying to wall off the world; especially in these days of internet connectivity, kids will eventually find all sorts of things and may make their own friends with objectionable views when they grow up.
 
I have a few friends who are Wiccan. Do I think they are misguided? Yes. But they are good, honest, caring people and we are respectful of each others beliefs. We know where we each stand on matters of faith so we don’t routinely discuss it.
 
I think you need to check the Catechism.

Carefully. Unless I really am misunderstanding what you’re saying.

Just to clarify, no one here is talking about converting to Wiccan.
 
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The CCC doesn’t say alternative religions are going to hell, nor that associating with people of alternative religions will stop us from going to heaven.

Your post sounded like everyone who isn’t Christian is going to hell, and that associating with non-Christians will send us on a path to hell - which isn’t what the CCC says.

Associating isn’t following that person’s religion. Otherwise we better steer clear of Protestants as well, and I would need a divorce.
 
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Er. I certainly don’t think that associating with people of other faiths is going to send us to Hell. Indeed, I was arguing against the mentality that we should keep our children away from everyone who doesn’t subscribe to Christianity.

As far as everyone not being Christian going to Hell–well, I won’t offer an opinion on that, but I stand by my statement that any worldview that leads us away from Christ (ie, other religions or lack of belief in God) is evil and pointing us toward Hell.
 
Ah - so I did misunderstand you, and offer my apologies. 🙂 That was the reason for that little caveat. 🙂
 
Tis_Bearself said:
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Katie777:
If someone told me they were wiccan at this age I would be frightened
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Why?
Wiccans aren’t scary. There are quite a few around where I grew up. They are basically old hippies. One of them I know is the child of a Protestant minister.
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Somehow that’s not a compelling argument, and just adds to concern.

Perhaps the hippies you are familar with growing up were different. I would not expose an 11 year old to a hippie, free- love lifestyle either, which most times included doing things that added to thier mellowness., lol.

Not very harmless to expose a child to that either.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
At age 11 I thought of witches as Halloween costume characters and funny creatures off the cartoons like Broomhilda, Witchie-Poo, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and Glinda the Good Witch. I’d dressed up as a witch for Halloween. I played a popular kid’s board game called “Which Witch?” I read a bunch of kids’ books about kids experimenting, generally in some comical way, with witchcraft. My friends and I used to go in the backyard and cast pretend spells.

The only thing that would have scared me would be if adults reacted with some kind of shock or horror to any of this, or to Wiccans.
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11 was actually the first time I met a wiccan. I remember it well, I was still in primary school and my family went to a medieval fair. I lady selling crystals and nicknacks told me she was a wiccan, I asked what that was and she said “a white witch, like a good witch”. She was friendly and explained to a kid asking questions, I later read more on it and within a couple of years saw the character Willow on Buffy. It’s not a hard concept for kids to grasp; it’s just another religion.
 
I don’t know about you, but I personally have a wide range of emotion between “creeped out” and “hysterical”.
 
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