DC archbishop slams Trump visit to Catholic shrine

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Jesus is the Eternal High Photographer, and He shall judge us with perfect Megapixels.
 
F_Marturana said:
Was he supposed to climb up on an altar to get a picture?
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Was there a Church official with the party to tell him, “No, you’re not supposed to go there.”? If not, then he’s going to go wherever he thinks he needs to go.

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StudentMI said:
it’s just the political posturing.
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Everything a president does is messaging. I think it would be very different if he invited the press and made a statement at the door of the shrine - although it would still be his right to do so. I think he sent a strong message that he supports religious freedom and that God is important to him (albeit in his own way). The archbishop missed the forest for all the trees.
 
Shouldn’t there have been? It’s a shrine. It’s a Catholic Church. I’m not allowed to climb up behind the altar to get a staged picture of my kids, for example, on their first communion or confirmation.

It’s a staged picture.

That’s why the photographer is behind the altar to get their pictures.
 
rjo8 said:
How is it a bad thing for the president to visit a Catholic shrine?
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It becomes a bad thing when said President doesn’t conform to liberal dogma. And lets be real here, liberalism, the virulent form, is gaining a pretty good foothold in the Church today! Think Germany.
 
I just want to know if I got behind the altar on my son’s first communion day to get a picture of him looking pious, would that be ok?
 
So where are the 150 + pictures of him and the Mrs. atttending mass or services on a regular Sunday?
 
cjsm93 said:
This is an example of what frustrates me about the current state of our Church. It saddens me to witness the Catholic Church speak out against a president who is the first in many years to defend our religious freedoms and to stand with us in our fight to end abortion.
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It does not sadden me that public officials who stand up for a moral agenda do not automatically get carte blanche to do whatever else those officials want to do.
cjsm93 said:
Are these bishops so afraid of losing parishioners that they would submit themselves to an immoral and corrupt regime just to appear current and relevant?
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Please explain the evidence you used to come to the conclusion that any bishop of any denomination speaking on these matters has done so “just to appear current and relevant”? That is a fairly serious charge.

It could just be that Mr. Trump did not realize that forcing an appearance under the circumstances was tone-deaf. He wanted to give the message that he was a defender of religious freedom. If your planned appearance to do that requires aiming smoke bombs at clergy, you need to re-think your plan, not just barrel on ahead without regards to what message you’ll be sending by the lengths to which you’re willing to go in order to make a public appearance.

What is totally amazing to me is that the President couldn’t wait until a different time. He couldn’t have had the mall cleared after curfew and go out at 9 am, instead? With perhaps a courtesy call to the church so they would know the President was visiting them? And why get a picture in front of their sign, if he wasn’t visiting the people of the church?

What was he thinking, exactly? Can you explain that?
cjsm93 said:
Instead of trying to shoot down the pilot of the plane that they (and all of us!) are on, why don’t they pray for him instead? And heed the words of Our Lord “let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
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OK, but in that case why are you posting criticism of the bishops on the internet instead of praying for them? It seems on the surface that you are proposing a different standard for the bishops, who have a leadership duty themselves, than for yourself?
 
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DaveBj said:
Was there a Church official with the party to tell him, “No, you’re not supposed to go there.”? If not, then he’s going to go wherever he thinks he needs to go.

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What public official visits a church (I mean in an official capacity, with photographer in tow, not just to pray as a private person) and doesn’t have the courtesy to arrange to have someone from the church there to welcome him and show him around? I can appreciate the security concern of not announcing the visit to the whole world, but the visit ought to be at least arranged with the church. During a time like this in particular, yes, the people at the shrine ought to have given the Archbishop a heads-up, too. I can’t imagine not doing that, honestly.

I don’t know who the chief of staff is at the White House these days, but somebody is dropping the ball. The lack of organization and forethought does not reflect well on the President.
 
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Bad apples in the RCC cannot get out of their own way. Whether it is intentional or unintentional I cannot say. But it is extremely frustrating.
 
StudentMI said:
Exactly. And a cheesy one at that.
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You’ll get no argument from me on that score, but this and other replies do not answer my question as to whether or not there was a basilica minder with him to make sure that members of his party did not go where they were supposed to go.

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Why do the Catholic clergy give a podium to Pelosi? don’t they know that Pelosi favors legislation which allows the killing of a child right up to just before cutting the umbilical cord? The child is already born, however, the umbilical cord has not been cut.
 
I wish I could answer that. It’s really tough to uphold the teachings of the church in this current amoral climate, so I guess you need to pander to keep the money flowing.
 
tuscany said:
So when the man DOES reach out and seek God’s help…on his knees no less…he is still condemned.
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Probably because it is inconsistent and that along with the circumstances make it suspect.
 
It truly, truly amazes me how Pres. Trump is seen by some as the only human being ever born that has never done/can do anything with a good motive. God didn’t bless me with the ability to see into a person’s heart of why they make each and every move they make. I congratulate the Archbishop, you, and others for that amazing ability.
 
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To be fair, there are some who cast aspersions on others —for some, it’s Bernie Sanders; some cannot credit Pope Francis for any good, others cannot credit Cardinal Burke or Archbishop Vigano for any good. . .

And we wonder why America seems so polarized.

I’ll tell you why —because despite our whining about ‘shades of gray’ for anything it suits us to want NOT to accept— when it comes to things we WANT to accept it’s our way or the highway, I’m right, you’re wrong, right is always 100% perfect, wrong is always 100% evil.

And everything is internalized. Any perception that someone does not agree 100% with us means they are 100% against. And being ‘against’ is always deliberately evil.

So you’ll have loaded words like ‘slams’ just to make sure you exactly where ‘the good’ is and you’d best come running to join the virtue shaming, otherwise you’ll be out in the darkness, a nonperson, one of the, well, I won’t say deplorables because that term has been politicized, rather I will say one of the ‘unwoke’, one of the duped (but still evil), one of the ‘not-me’.
 
"I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles, which call us to defend the rights of all people even those with whom we might disagree,” Archbishop Wilton Gregory said in a statement.
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The Bishop is baffled

so oughta be caffle

yet on he does rattle

‘bout Trump at a shrine

To honor John Paul

who help com’nism FALL

The POTUS made call

to his shrine (for our freedom)s

But Wilton got angry as he’d been before

and thought that the shrine oughta’d of shut the darn door

on Trump and his Missus and their phony visit ta

pose just for photos pretending to care.

Now these may seem biases – but Gregory’s Diocese’s

the biggest PRO-choice one - and now racked with riot-ses

With vandals and looting but thank God no shooting … still

Churches were spray painted, boarded and marred.

So Trump walked t’ the street where

the creeps trashed that Church there

to show the dist-TINC-tion ‘tween

vandals and grieved.

Three TIMES p’lice and S’service

who’d grown a bit nervous - had warned

the “assembled” to clear the darn way

But they stood defiant till pepper dislodged them

and Trump per his photo op showed the ruined Church.

But Wilton’s suspecting that Donald’s protecting’s

a terrible aw-flable sin as it were-ch.

Now me as a layman, I don’t see why blamin’

someBODY JUST merely vis’ting a shrine

of a saint to whom freedom

for ‘ligion an’ leadin’ ‘em

at this dumb time (when our churches are closed)

deserves nasty call outs

and mad Bishop’s bawl outs

of sins half imagined,

“false witness” inclined.

In my opinion.
Thank you Mr. President for remembering St. John Paul II

and supporting your Catholic wife

standing by the Church during attack

and leading a reluctant media to a site of church vandalism

they might not have shown, given their commitment to

a quite different scripted narrative.

Thanks too for being one of the first to reach out to the Floyd family.

Bishop Gregory … how about an appeal to people to respect property

and acting peaceably. Your neighbors are being victimized.

ONE of these two Washington DC figures was at this year’s March for Life.

The other gave a glowing homily that stopped short of formally canonizing

a famous pro-choice media star that had died eight months ago.

A second THANKS to the first one.

A counsel of “you can do better” to the other.
 
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VanitasVanitatum said:
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tuscany:
So when the man DOES reach out and seek God’s help…on his knees no less…he is still condemned.
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Probably because it is inconsistent and that along with the circumstances make it suspect.
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Kinds of reminds me of when Jesus told Dismas that he couldn’t go to Heaven because he was a thief.
 
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