DC archbishop slams Trump visit to Catholic shrine

[upant]

let me get this right,

in DC, you can publicly support abortion, dissent from Church teaching, cheer-lead for gay marriage, etc. and get a glowing eulogy

but you can’t kneel at a shrine if you are doing more for religious freedom then any US leader in recent memory.

seems we got this backward?

TDS

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Kinds of reminds me of when Jesus told Dismas that he couldn’t go to Heaven because he was a thief.

A person who is dying doesn’t really have the time to show that they changed, but I do remember St. Paul having a genunine conversion that was accompanied with the neccessary exterior actions.

 

[MikeInVA]

Jesus forgave the repentant sinner as he hung on the cross. Dismas never had time to show he had truly changed, but his repentance was good enough for Jesus.

If the President of the United States, or any human being, wants to pray to God, He is listening. Instead of attacking him, perhaps the archbishop could have met with him and evangelized him? We live in a time when people prefer to curse the dark than to light a candle.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Jesus forgave the repentant sinner as he hung on the cross. Dismas never had time to show he had truly changed, but his repentance was good enough for Jesus.

Jesus can actually read minds.

If the President of the United States, or any human being, wants to pray to God, He is listening.

That can be done in private, but for the most part it sounds more like a publicity stunt so if any judgement is to be made it certainly wouldn’t be towards that interpretation.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

A) It still doesn’t explain the visceral reaction of Bishop Gregory, which tells me he just loathes the President. That’s his right, but try and act like a Bishop when you react.

B) It was prescheduled, so that just cements the fact Bishop Gregory is a partisan who welcomes Nancy Pelosi to the altar, but can’t stand the thought of the POTUS making a scheduled visit to a shrine to celebrate the signing of an EO against religious persecution.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

Or as unpleasant as it is to discuss, there are forces of darkness working within the Church actively working against Her teachings. It should not be taboo to admit that if we actually care about the Church.

 

[PetraG]

A) It still doesn’t explain the visceral reaction of Bishop Gregory, which tells me he just loathes the President. That’s his right, but try and act like a Bishop when you react.

B) It was prescheduled, so that just cements the fact Bishop Gregory is a partisan who welcomes Nancy Pelosi to the altar, but can’t stand the thought of the POTUS making a scheduled visit to a shrine to celebrate the signing of an EO against religious persecution.

It was not pre-scheduled that the President forcibly clear another church’s plaza the night before his visit to the shrine of Pope St. John Paul II, including clearing it of the clergy who minister there, whom he did not even bother to notify he was coming, so he could have a photo-op.

It takes a lot of chutzpah to do that to a church and then lecture the rest of the world about religious persecution the next day. It really does. Archbishop Gregory is hardly the only religious leader who was upset about it. Even Pat Robertson said of his tactics, “You just don’t do that, Mr. President.”

If he was trying to make himself persona non grata at churches, he found a sure-fire method.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

That doesn’t explain or justify Bishop Gregory’s petulance, his ignorance of the EO, or his welcoming attitude to pro-abortion Catholics. He is biased and inconsistent in his outrage, because he likely supports Nancy Pelosi’s politics more than the Presidents. He may well have been annoyed or angry at the clearing of the protestors, but I don’t believe for a second that was the cause of his rage. His past actions show that much.

 

[PetraG]

He may well have been annoyed or angry at the clearing of the protestors, but I don’t believe for a second that was the cause of his rage.

You don’t? Oh, I do. Imagine you have ever been a pastor for a moment. The protesters had been welcomed by that church and the President cleared them by force before curfew and without warning that he had any plans to visit the church. It was outrageous.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

Believe what you want. I think Bishop Gregory lashed out because Trump is not the type of politician he favors, as evidenced by his celebration of the life of Cokie Roberts with Ms. Pelosi. I am sure he was angry about the removal of the protestors (which was a foolish thing to do), but I don’t buy for a second that was his primary motivator. Frankly, I question anyone who gets more bothered by that solitary action than they do women who have championed the killing of their offspring. That literally makes no sense.

 

[upant]

If he was trying to make himself persona non grata at churches, he found a sure-fire method.

yet that doesn’t explain the bishops actions in regards to the pro-abortion politicians who used the church.

at least be consistent

 

[PetraG]

Believe what you want. I think Bishop Gregory lashed out because Trump is not the type of politician he favors, as evidenced by his celebration of the life of Cokie Roberts with Ms. Pelosi. I am sure he was angry about the removal of the protestors (which was a foolish thing to do), but I don’t buy for a second that was his primary motivator. Frankly, I question anyone who gets more bothered by that solitary action than they do women who have championed the killing of their offspring. That literally makes no sense.

Occam’s Razor wisely steers us away from cooking up complicated explanations for situations with very straightforward explanations.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

And my razor is from the Dollar Shave Club. Neither has anything to do with your unwillingness to address Bishop Gregory’s seemingly welcoming attitude to politicians who support the killing of our children, but absolutely loses his mind over an isolated incident (even if it was a mistake and bad idea).

I could see them being equal in the Bishop’s mind if Trump’s platform included the right to forcibly remove protestors, kind of the like the Democratic platform makes it their mission to keep the ability to kill your baby a sacrosanct right. But the two aren’t close to comparable. That’s why I believe he is simply a partisan who is openly more supportive of one platform then the other.

Fortunately, he is not my Bishop, though we hear plenty of noise from the Diocese of DC being so close to it.

 

[pnewton]

let me get this right,

Let us apply a little Golden Rule to this post, and reverse the rhetoric.

So, at CAF, you can gas protesters so the president can take a stroll, take over the front of a Church to get a picture with a Bible, shoot rubber bullets at people and bring the military in to act as your own storm troopers, no problem.

But try and show a little mercy for the deceased…

See, this is the problem with spin. If you are going to spin, understand that backwards my only exist because of the direction in which you are facing.

BTW, that stuff I said at first I consider equally ridiculous.