Death Penalty: Applause for Rick Perry’s ‘Ultimate Justice’ at Republican Debate

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mary_bobo said:
How do you reconcile voting for a pro-life candidate whose party platform allows for abortion? And if we are ever to get abortion over-turned, we need judges who will rule in harmony with our Constitution and not find loopholes (RvW) in it that are not there. Do you think we are going to get those kinds of judges from the Dems?
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Hmm…let’s see, Sandra Day O’Connor (prochoice) appointed by REPUBLICAN Reagan.

I have seen time and again Republicans who classify themselves as Prochoice.
I also have seen in recent years republicans who support gay marriage.
That is bothersome to me. So I must vote with my conscience. A voting american
really has to look hard at the candidates and not their party anymore. This was made evident to me tonite as I watched the Republican debate on Fox.
 
lisahiku said:
Hmm…let’s see, Sandra Day O’Connor (prochoice) appointed by REPUBLICAN Reagan.

I have seen time and again Republicans who classify themselves as Prochoice.
I also have seen in recent years republicans who support gay marriage.
That is bothersome to me. So I must vote with my conscience. A voting american
really has to look hard at the candidates and not their party anymore. This was made evident to me tonite as I watched the Republican debate on Fox.
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And the prolife justices appointed by the Democrats are_____________???

There are, indeed, some openly “pro-choice” Repub national officeholders, but their numbers appear to be few and dwindling. I am not sure there are ANY Dem prolifers left on the national scene.

Certainly it is the right thing to do to examine the individual candidates closely, but you won’t be finding a Democrat prolife nominee for the presidency in 2012, and that’s an absolute.
 
It doesn’t seem to matter which party is in office. The issue will not be overturned anytime soon. George W Bush was supposedly pro life AND had republican majority of congress.
Nothing changed.

Is Justice Roberts and Justice THomas and Justice Scalia And Justice Kennedy
truly pro life? I am honestly not sure. But the issue never gets even a hearing or reopening.
 
Lisa,
If GW did “nothing” why has Obama rushed to get rid of some of his pro-life policies?
Hmmm,?
 
estesbob said:
Rescinded the Mexico city policy on his third day in office
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Thanks for something at least.

To all: I was asking/still am asking for questions on my previous post, not trying to push an agenda. I’m saying this because after reading my own post it seems…uh…well…a bit ignorant.:cool:
 
estesbob said:
Rescinded the Mexico city policy on his third day in office
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Where does this say a Catholic can not support a canidate who supports capital punishment? Are you aware the Pope sprecifically stated a Cathoilc could support Capital punishment?
 
estesbob said:
Where does this say a Catholic can not support a canidate who supports capital punishment? Are you aware the Pope sprecifically stated a Cathoilc could support Capital punishment?
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Just wondering: who are you talking to??? :confused:
 
lisahiku said:
It doesn’t seem to matter which party is in office. The issue will not be overturned anytime soon. George W Bush was supposedly pro life AND had republican majority of congress.
Nothing changed.
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And nothing WILL change as long as the liberal media weakens men with lust and goofiness as male traits in their weak male actors, and removes the themes of committment, romanticism and true love. The UNelected liberal media has become more influential than Church rules. Weakened men will run from true love and marriage. It’s part of the plan to deconstruct our society. Then the unelected who are in charge of the media can reconstruct society in their unelected “modern family” image, knowing that the sheep will go along “Without merely questioning it.” By making single parents dependent on big govt for support, ABORTION should theoretically be an option to lessen their load (the popular belief, not my values) since they can’t control weak men who mostly wanted sex in a media environment that sells more sex than true love to the public for consumption.

True love and marriage leads to strong families who don’t need big govt. so much. Many parents don’t realize that their kids are being raised by the values of the unelected liberal media, which is stealing the beauty of innocence at a young age. Kids have a harder time staying clean and strong. The more who fail to be clean and strong, the more that big govt is needed. Their motives are self-serving. “Hold the people down by breaking up families with shallow liberal amusements, and more will vote to be saved.” Nothing will change until you keep kids clean. Kids are getting dirtier with this media.
lisahiku said:
Is Justice Roberts and Justice THomas and Justice Scalia And Justice Kennedy
truly pro life? I am honestly not sure. But the issue never gets even a hearing or reopening.
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Let’s talk about issues that never get hearing or play in the bigoted liberal media:

The “party of the people” who vote for more safety nets while cheating on their taxes, hypocritically dishing the responsibility onto OTHERS, while pretending to care. No one in the liberal media dare alert them to their status as a hypocrite. Of course others cheat on their taxes too, but at least their not voting to help others, then hypocritically stealing money from the very people they pretend to want to help by cheating them of tax revenues for the safety nets. Talk is cheap. Ignorance is bliss. Open your mind to the WHOLE truth rather than the bigoted one that the liberal media is promoting.
 
lisahiku said:
It doesn’t seem to matter which party is in office. The issue will not be overturned anytime soon. George W Bush was supposedly pro life AND had republican majority of congress.
Nothing changed.

Is Justice Roberts and Justice THomas and Justice Scalia And Justice Kennedy
truly pro life? I am honestly not sure. But the issue never gets even a hearing or reopening.
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What could GWB have done even with a Republican Congress?
 
mary_bobo said:
What could GWB have done even with a Republican Congress?
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An easy thing the Republicans could have done is defunded Planned Parenthood. Apparently during the Bush years Republicans made sure they got $2.2 billion of our dollars. As I pointed out in an earlier post the Republicans are still funding them in their current budget. If they cant even defund the countries biggest abortion provider then why would you think Republicans will make abortion illegal?
 
exnihilo said:
An easy thing the Republicans could have done is defunded Planned Parenthood. Apparently during the Bush years Republicans made sure they got $2.2 billion of our dollars. As I pointed out in an earlier post the Republicans are still funding them in their current budget. If they cant even defund the countries biggest abortion provider then why would you think Republicans will make abortion illegal?
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I wonder if you are truly unaware of what it would take to defund PP. Without a filibuster-proof senate such a bill would never pass … and the Republicans have never had that kind of control since abortions became legal. What you describe as an “easy thing” is not quite so easy as you suppose. You should note, however, that PP is being defunded by a number of states and in all of the states where this has been done it is because Republicans are in control.

The situation remains unchanged: abortion may not become illegal even with Republicans in control but it will never become illegal as long as Democrats are in control.

Ender
 
Ender said:
I wonder if you are truly unaware of what it would take to defund PP. Without a filibuster-proof senate such a bill would never pass … and the Republicans have never had that kind of control since abortions became legal. What you describe as an “easy thing” is not quite so easy as you suppose. You should note, however, that PP is being defunded by a number of states and in all of the states where this has been done it is because Republicans are in control.
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If it takes a filibuster proof Senate to defund Planed Parenthood then would you not agree there will never be such a thing and therefore any attempt to elect Republicans for Congress in order to end abortion is a waste of time? The Republicans controlled the Congress and Presidency for many of the Bush years. Then when they fail to do anything they promise to do in their platforms the excuse is they dont have a filibuster proof majority. That never seems to stop the Democrats. They can push through Obamacare and anything else they want without a filibuster proof majority. The Republican party is a party of excuses and constant failure. I like rooting for the underdog but not completely inept losers.

I agree the states are trying to do something. And yes, it is the Republicans doing that. Of course this is peanuts compared to what is done on the national level. In my state PP was able to get the courts to hear a case where they claim it is illegal to defund them. This ridiculous claim was not dismissed with prejudice as it should have been. Given the nature of the courts I expect them to find a way to keep funding going to PP. If this fails then all practical attempts to stop abortion within the system have failed. The system is the problem.
 
exnihilo said:
If it takes a filibuster proof Senate to defund Planed Parenthood then would you not agree there will never be such a thing and therefore any attempt to elect Republicans for Congress in order to end abortion is a waste of time?
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Well, the Democrats had one after the 2008 elections so I see no reason to concede that the Republicans can’t achieve the same thing. More significantly, however, is that it won’t take such a large majority to get nominees to the Supreme Court accepted and that is the significant issue, not defunding PP.
The Republicans controlled the Congress and Presidency for many of the Bush years. Then when they fail to do anything they promise to do in their platforms the excuse is they dont have a filibuster proof majority.
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What promise regarding abortion did they fail to deliver on? I think you’ll find that they did pretty much all they could, most importantly with the appointment of Alito and Roberts to the Court.
That never seems to stop the Democrats. They can push through Obamacare and anything else they want without a filibuster proof majority.
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If you understood these issues better you would perhaps come to a different conclusion. The Dems passed Obamacare solely because they had a fillibuster proof Senate and in fact the only reason it passed in its current form is because, before they had completed voting on it, they lost the Kennedy seat in the Senate to a Republican. They had no choice but to accept the version of the bill the Senate had already passed as they knew they would never get another chance to vote on it.
The Republican party is a party of excuses and constant failure. I like rooting for the underdog but not completely inept losers.
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I love this argument. The side trying to do the right thing doesn’t deserve our help because they have so far failed to overcome the side doing the wrong thing. And why haven’t they overcome the obstacles yet? Because they don’t have enough help.
The system is the problem.
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Being unwilling to do what needs to be done is the problem.

Ender
 
So, which of the Republican presidential contenders is the most pro-life? Which one has the best chance of beating Obama in a general election based on conservative principles and voting records, rather than the ever-changing poll numbers?
 
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