Death penalty: For or against?

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I’m a public defender. Knowing first hand how inept and overworked the state attorneys office can be, they should not be allowed to be in the position to seek the death penalty for anyone.
 
That is why there should be reform, no? Or is it bottlenecked like everything else in government? ah, gotta love democracy, am I right? What need is massive government reform. Anecdotes count little in debates. There are likely governments that actually ARE competent. And that does not disprove the point. In competent hands it is a valid coice in government. Pope Pius I believe killed over 550 people
 
With the risk of criminals being able to flee high security prisons being next to nothing, there’s no real point in killing criminals other than pure retribution

Even when the victims’ family does not want the accused to get the death penalty the state still seeks it.

It’s better to just keep people locked up. It’s cheaper than killing someone with the death penalty and at least it eliminates the chance that someone is killed wrongly
 
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Eyewitness accounts should NOT be the sole basis of a case, only a supporting detail. We need to actually get partisanship out of government. It is terrible. Nowadays it sounds “rabble rabble rabble!” all the while, the rise of authoritarianism is rising among the youth. Many are disillusioned with liberal politics and the joke that is government… and are looking at alternatives. Sound familiar. Cue " ss marsche in feindsland" This is similar enviroment though less severe as that leading to the Third Reich. The Nazis got into power BECAUSE they were SICK of ineffective democratic failings in their government. I do not condone many of these ideologies, many are modernist. I am a man disillusioned with the pig fest that is American politics. I would not mind a collapse of the country, so long as whjat comes after is Catholic, and that is what we are going to get, cue the national debt. It will get to the point where one of 2 things happen. A) Hyperinflation than economic collapse B) immediate economic collapse when we are unable to pay our dues
 
But in Prison are almost certain to commit unrelenting sins. The death penalty helps them to stop from going FURTHER into Hell, at the very least.
 
As a woman, I can only say that I don’t find your jokes very funny. I also think that you need to reconsider your whole way of thinking about and talking about people, especially women. Do you have any idea how demeaning it is to rate somebody’s attractiveness out of 10? It’s really not a very humane or a very Christian way of thinking about people and talking about them. You cannot give a person marks out of 10.

You also have a very strange idea of what relationships are like that has nothing at all to do with the Christian idea of marriage. You seem not to understand that physical attraction is an important part of the marital relationship. Of course, we choose somebody who is a good person, somebody whose values we share. But we also choose somebody to whom we want to give ourselves through physical intimacy leading to having children.

Frankly, I cannot imagine where you found the idea of Kate Upton wearing a diaper. It’s bizarre and pretty disgusting. How old are your parents? I am alarmed if “many” people are incontinent at their age! But you also don’t seem to understand what it is like to love somebody and want to be with that person for the rest of your lives. You do not stop loving somebody because they have incontinence or because they have dementia or any of the other illnesses that are common in old age.

So many of your ideas are not really grounded in orthodox Catholic beliefs. I would urge you to think carefully about your attitudes toward women and marriage. Even if you do not intend to get married yourself, your attitudes do not seem positive. Some of your attitudes are actually quite offensive. I am getting married later this year. I would be horrified if my future husband (who is younger than me by a few years) was giving me marks out of 10 or having second thoughts about marrying me in case I suffer from incontinence in the future.
 
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I would not mind a collapse of the country
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Again, that is not a Catholic attitude. As Catholics, we are told that love of one’s country (as opposed to nationalism) is a good thing. We should all wish for peace and prosperity for our respective countries. The collapse of the United States would cause widespread suffering through poverty, starvation, disease, and violence. There would also be huge worldwide repercussions: the West would lose the balance of power on the UN Security Council, NATO would lose its ability to maintain the security of its members at a stroke, the State of Israel would probably be wiped off the map, the global economy would collapse, there would probably be a third world war, and who knows who would be in control of America’s huge arsenal of nuclear and conventional weapons?
 
I am not a mysoginist madam. Just someone who is tired of life, tired of death, and EGGING to have someone put a bullet put in my head. I insult myself ALL the time . Also with Kate Upton in the Diaper, that is to say, she will get old as well. M myself will likely be using a cane by my 80’s. As to my humor, mam, ignore my humor. Black humor is like food: not even one gets it. I got it being on the chans. I do not tend to lean towards misogyny, Oh No. My predominant fault, is lack of meekness, and love of neighbor. I spent the better part of a decade being a paranoid misanthrope. I got that back in school. I used to trust mankind, I was a happy kid, but school slammed me against the bleachers and broke me. I am 23 years old, I am unemployed, I was practically babysat in school. I have the mental capacity of an old codger. I used to have SUCH… optimism. I wanted to be an engineer when I was a kid. I no longer trust people like I did. I have been back stabbed enough to have a distrust in people. First I was used by teachers…they betrayed me. Then I trusted in atheism, then degeneracy. Then I was used by fascists…they, too betrayed me. I trust only in the Lord, and his Church. I trust the infallible doctrines of the Church. If the weather man tells me it is going to rain, I think, we will see. I am not exactly what you called cultured. I am blunt, have a tendency to not…filter. (it is a common in Aspies to talk about messed up stuff at the dinner table. I remember I was talking about serail killers once…in a packed mcdonalds) I am not a gentleman in a true sense.I am young codger tired of the world.
 
Dude a lot of people get arrested and are innocent. That’s reason enough to abolish the death penalty
 
I think you need professional help. This is not just about having Asperger’s.
 
Of course, I am a patriot. I want… what is best for my country…but I can’t stand the joke that is our government. Spitting alpacas could do a better job than many of our elected. My own state has elected 2 crooks for many years, because the big cities flood out the little cities. And guess who is spending HUNDRED OF MILLIONS ANNUALLY to promote Protestant evangelism in South America? Us. And I am a Nationalist in a sense. I do not believe in open borders. I believe an ideal state would be Poland ( am of polish roots) THAT is government. The thing that people claim about the Nazi’s being nationalists is WRONG. They were ULTRA-nationalists. Many people call Trump “A Fascist Pig”. Mam, most of these young folks would not know fascism unless it were crushing their skulls with a jackboots and lining them against the wall.
Nationalism does not involve nazi’s. It existed LONG before the Nazi’s came to power. Even the Nazi salute is not original. It cones from the Halle salute I believe which was standard in classrooms before…you know
And no, I am not a Fascist, they are modernists and outright heretics. I am told to love my neighbor, but my neighbor behaviors are so strange that they make no sense. Like why are people afraid of flying? It is the safest mode of travel, yet people are not afraid of driving which kills far more people. The thing with aspies, we don’t use emotions as guidelines. If something is true, I take it to heart. If the Church teaching is that the death penalty is NOT intrinsically evil. I take it to heart. I care little for feelings. It does not what I feel about Church teaching. If it is true, It is TRUE. I don’t try to squirm my way out of it. I took that view pleasure is not happiness, and now, I am no longer tormented by Lust. And good for you getting married. I simply am not of that mindset. Not like I ever attracted anyone. I got a a big enough head to crack walnuts with. The only time a girl expressed interest in me was at old orchard. But I was too busy digging a pit in the sand to notice. One of the girls even jumped with me and was within MERE INCHES behind me. Did I notice? Nope! gotta dig that pit. My mom watched the whole thing and they looked at my mom in disappointment. Such is life. I am melancholic in temperament and cross the bridge years after others do. I still have not gotten a licence, nor am I interested in them.
 
I am against of death centence, and thanks be to God, in most civilized countries it is abolished.
In past centuries there was a believe that hard labour can be the recompensation of human nature.
So people were centenced to 10-15-20-25 years of hard labour.
In a Soviet times, especially Stalin’s era people were redeeming their guilt by hard labour.
I don’t understand how it was possible to work 16 hours per day in a Siberia climate, but if justice let the people live, they could continue to live by hard labour.
 
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When you read Varlam Shalamov you realize that Soviet prison of Stalin’s era was the hell on earth.
There was nothing more degrading for human nature than that.
(Realism of Varlam Shalamov totally disproves the Aleksander Solzhenytsyns ideas about prison camps spiritual transformation)
According to Shalamov, some humans were reduced to animals conditions who could do any thing just to survive and to save their lives.
Reading Varlam Shalamov, you realize that indeed, the quick death could be probably better option than 16 hours hard labour, constant starvation, humiliation from thieves and guards, gradual human degradation and animals survival of the strongest and craftiest.
By the way, the strongest not in a sense of fitness, vice versa - the big guys were dying faster than skinny ones, but the castes of thieves and those who cooperated with authorities were the once who could save themselves from unhuman hard labour.
Neither death centence, no tortures, no hard labour is the answer for change of human nature and right punishment.
Of course, modern heavy criminals are not political prisoners, and there are different approaches to this problem but I think there should be isolation, and the imprisoned person should bring some benefit to society while being imprisoned for life centence.
 
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I am NOT making an accusation. I am making A point. If you disagree with one point of the Church, but agree at another, it suggests a bit of PRIDE. It suggests one knows better than the Church. The Church is INFALLIBLE in doctrine. It is a SIMPLE thing to believe and accept. Did you know that it should ONLY TAKE 1 mass to become a saint? but why are there few saints? PRIDE, or specifically people REFUSAL to accept and ADHERE to the Churches teachings and DOCTRINE. Oh I believe in gay marriage, oh I believe in abortion, oh I believe in socialism . If the Church states abortion is wrong. it is wrong. If it supports religious life I support it. If the Church teaches that you must jump 50 times a day, you better jump 50 times a day. I do not pick and choose, to my hearts content. Traditionalists are also guilty of this to an extent. They often see the irreverence in countless NO masses, where it has become the PINNACLE of eminence. When they see Jesus ALONE alone in the tabernacle, where people are all too often eager to leave Him, and not stay to give thanks giving, when people leave BEFORE the end of the closing Hymns. When it has become a matter of how I feel, it is NOT a good sign. I base my faith on Truth. But too often people want lies, they don’t like their feathers ruffled. They only want to have their ears tickled. If someone challenges their beliefs This pick and choose what you believe is UTTER dog crap. We are told to HATE HERESY, to hate LIES, because Christ HIMSELF HATES LIES FOR HE IS TRUTH. To go against the established truth, is to choose LIES. I hate lies, as Christ compels me to. Did you know that the Church was justified by the Bible in censorship? If you look in Acts you will see where converts burned their books on witchcraft. St Paul was well pleased with their efforts. We think we can be arrogant. We think we are the makers of the fate. Rubbish. NOTHING HAPPEN’S outside of God’s control. And His patience is getting quite THIN. As we blunder about in our evil ways. I hate pride, and I hate sin. I do not tolerate religious indifference that has been going on for the last few centuries. You want the Churches teaching on the death penalty, I gave it to you, yet you choose to ignore it. But what can I do? I can’t force you to believe. I can’t put a gun to your head. Can’t lock you up. The ball is in YOUR court to accept… DIVINE TRUTH.

Realism of one man disproves another. But it does not change Church teaching on the matter. It is not evil, period. This was settled CENTURIES ago and is NOT subject to change. The magesterium has NEVER condemned CP. And it NEVER will because it is guided by the holy spirit and is infallible. To deny Church doctrine is to deny the infallibility of the Magesterium, to deny the Magesterium is to deny Christ’s eminence on earth. To deny His eminence on earth is to deny His Church, and thus to deny Him.
 
People love to twist scripture. That is in line with protestant theology
 
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If you disagree with one point of the Church, but agree at another, it suggests a bit of PRIDE. It suggests one knows better than the Church
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You’re the one disagreeing with the Catechism. And even if you were right about the death penalty, that still wouldn’t justify making baseless accusations against people.
 
The Catechism is not INFALLIBLE what do you not understand? The Catechism is not INFALLIBLE. There have been MANY catechism in the Churches history. Some VERY good. Some…not so much. But the Catechism is NOT INFALLIBLE, NOR does it claim to be. Compare the catechism of Trent to the catechism of JP2. The doctrines do NOT change. DESPITE what the CATECHISM says. IT IS NOT INFALLIBLE. The fact I hve to explain it is sad

 
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