Death penalty: For or against?

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I’d suggest not responding to this guy at all. No good fruit will come of it. I’ve taken steps so that all his writings are hidden.
 
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The CATECHISM is NOT infallible. The doctrine exist outside of that found in Catechism.
 
You can block me. But it does not change my point. That CP is legal.

I had trouble understanding how few are saved. it is all too clear now. Modernism really is cancer. For what we have done to Him we deserve to go to Hell. And people refuse to give Him the reverence He so rightly deserves.
 
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These teachings once settled, CANNOT BE CHANGED. If the Church decrees CP to be not intrinsically evil.
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But it can be extrinsically evil. That is an act made evil by cruel and unnecessary application. That’s the position of the Church in view of the culture of death we live in today.

Pope St John Paul II

“May the death penalty, an unworthy punishment still used in some countries, be abolished throughout the world.” (Prayer at the Papal Mass at Regina Coeli Prison in Rome, July 9, 2000).

“A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. Modern society has the means of protecting itself, without definitively denying criminals the chance to reform. I renew the appeal I made most recently at Christmas for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary.” (Homily at the Papal Mass in the Trans World Dome, St. Louis, Missouri, January 27, 1999).

We are going against Catholic doctrine if we continue to use Capital punishment if it is harmful to the common good.
 
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Victor Hugo
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You mean the Anti Catholic and Anti Cleric. and who wanted his sons to be buried WITHOUT a crucifix OR PRIEST? And whose works like Les miserables are outright HERESY? Thanks, good to know where your views are. Discarded. Like I said, I don’t care about opinions,… or feelings. Not being mean… this is how I am when I am serious. I tell it as it is. I am as delicate as a sledgehammer, I am one who gets to business. I don’t mince words, I don’t beat around the bush. I don’t take crap like I used to. I don’t like being lied to…it tells me that one thinks I am stupid. But I keep it under covers. Except when I can leave a mark on Satan. But wait he is not to blame. Does not matter he deserves it. I get annoyed when people out light lie to me or deny the truth. I point to the sun and I say “look! it is up!” people look and say , it is the moon, or it is just the stars. I show people the Truth and people skirt around it. I show the glory of truth and people deny it. It puzzles me to no end, WHY people prefer lies to truth. no idea 🤨
 
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Also, I am not one for plays. Never got the hang of Shakespeare, and have always found theater to be unappealing. I never understood why people pay hundreds of dollars for seats to watch people act. I prefer sitting on my deck with a bottle of beer or a bit Tito’s finest vodka, and a good book. I can understand the Passion of Christ, perhaps. But Oklahoma, or Hairspray, Not interesting. It is part of my nature, to be…blunt. I am not the best at prudence. But with aspies, we can be shockingly blunt. If one is married to an aspie and they ask if the dress make you look big…DO NOT be surprised if you get an answer you don’t want to hear or expect. We are not being mean. We just don’t beat around the bush. We simply tell it as it is. Taboo subjects are almost unheard of, except maybe autism speaks. I have been known to ruin a few dinners because of…eclectic topics involving morbid stuff. Never seen anything wrong with it either, still don’t.
 
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Why are some people so fixated on having people executed if that’s you rally in life you missed the bus.
 
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People love to twist scripture. That is in line with protestant theology
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One has to remember that Satan quoted the Scriptures to tempt Christ in the desert. Thus the Scriptures can be twisted, much like Protestantism twists the Scriptures to teach things against the Catholic Church, or like the SSPX and SedeVacante twist the teachings of Vatican II against the Catholic Church, and like YouTube talking heads twist the words of Pope Francis.
 
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Genesis315 said:
As a parallel example, Pope Pius XII in a speech said “the idea of war as an apt and proportionate means of solving international conflicts is now out of date.” (Christmas Message 1944). This is no different than Pope Francis saying the same about the death penalty. The former was treated as a practical judgment given the circumstances and so should the latter, otherwise, both would be contrary to the Church’s perennial and unchangeable doctrine.
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I have no problem accepting this idea in principle, but I have a hard time seeing how it can be reconciled with what was actually written down in the revision itself, as well as in the letter from the CDF to the bishops of the world concerning it:
Consequently, the Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel, that “the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person”,[1] and she works with determination for its abolition worldwide. (CCC 2267, myself emphasis)
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The new revision of number 2267 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church , approved by Pope Francis, situates itself in continuity with the preceding Magisterium while bringing forth a coherent development of Catholic doctrine.[12] (CDF, Letter to the Bishops regarding the new revision of number 2267 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church on the death penalty, No. 7, my emphasis)
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All of this shows that the new formulation of number 2267 of the Catechism expresses an authentic development of doctrine that is not in contradiction with the prior teachings of the Magisterium. (Ibid. No. 8, my emphasis)
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The language here does not seem to indicate a prudential judgement, but rather an authentic Magisterial teaching.

How do you reconcile the idea that this is a prudential judgement with the above quotations?
 
Gab123 said:
The sin against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. namely, the refusal to repent.
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Exactly. During life it is forgivable. Therefore, no sin is unforgivable. Where there’s life there’s hope.
 
Yes indeed. Forgiveness is only possible when one repents. The problem is that in hell nobody can repent, so they are stuck eternally in rebellion against God. Thus Christ call us to repent and believe the gospel. But people are free to choose to not repent, and many do.
 
Obviously we don’t know who will be saved and who will end up in hell, though it is clear that those who sincerely repent will be saved, though probably go through a hellish purgatory indeed. It was Jesus who described the separation of the sheep from the goats; those who loved God and neighbor and did God’s will are the sheep. Those who loved only themselves and hated neighbor are the goats. the goats end up in the lake of fire.
 
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Yeah; but he didn’t know what he was talking about. Purgatory is the Church Suffering, and countless visions of the mystics describe different levels, the deep levels where souls barely escaped hell are much different than the upper levels where souls died with small imperfections and minor attachments. But Christ describes purgatory as receiving a severe beating and torture.
 
I’m very grateful that the Church teaches authoritatively that the death penalty is inadmissible…
 
It’s a good move. It was God who said that vengeance was His. Nobody escapes without the justice of God, in this life or in the next.
 
I’ll trust Fr. Groeschel. He cited Church teaching and said there’s no reason to be afraid of purgatory.
 
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