Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

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LutheranDK said:
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Israel is just about the LEAST racist country on the face of the planet! Jews come in from across the world: Ethiopia, China, Africa, Europe, South America, Russia, etc. Israel is an ethnic melting pot!
Even the Arabs, who chose not to do as they were told by the Arab states during Israel’s War of Independence and flee, are free citizens, with the same rights as Jews - and not, obviously all of the same duties!

So cut this populist BS about Israel being “racist”. It’s anything but.
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But… Hamas and Hezbollah aren’t racist… they just want every Jew in the world killed. :rolleyes:
 
LutheranDK said:
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Israel is just about the LEAST racist country on the face of the planet! Jews come in from across the world: Ethiopia, China, Africa, Europe, South America, Russia, etc. Israel is an ethnic melting pot!
Even the Arabs, who chose not to do as they were told by the Arab states during Israel’s War of Independence and flee, are free citizens, with the same rights as Jews - and not, obviously all of the same duties!

So cut this populist BS about Israel being “racist”. It’s anything but.
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Someone didn’t see the news footage of Arab women being spat upon and having ‘Death to Arabs’ shouted at them as they tried to walk past a demonstration celebrating Israel’s action in Ashdod today.
 
O_Duirnin said:
Someone didn’t see the news footage of Arab women being spat upon and having ‘Death to Arabs’ shouted at them as they tried to walk past a demonstration celebrating Israel’s action in Ashdod today.
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So the actions of chauvinist pigs is representative of the entire state? Get real.
That’s like saying the UK supports hard-left politics because the loudest recent protestors have been at the camp outside Westminster.
 
Baer said:
The Blockade is irrelavent, this happened in International Waters so those on board had the right to defend themselves. Not that this matters though, Israel ignores international law all the time, why would we expect this instance to be different.
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International waters mean jack shite, when the following conditions have been met:

"Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;"

And the ships WERE. End of story…go get yourself a biscuit.
 
LutheranDK said:
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Israel is just about the LEAST racist country on the face of the planet! Jews come in from across the world: Ethiopia, China, Africa, Europe, South America, Russia, etc. Israel is an ethnic melting pot!
Even the Arabs, who chose not to do as they were told by the Arab states during Israel’s War of Independence and flee, are free citizens, with the same rights as Jews - and not, obviously all of the same duties!

So cut this populist BS about Israel being “racist”. It’s anything but.
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Yeah, right… I guess that’s why Israel is the capital for human trafficking - and that up until the last ten years it was only illegal to traffic only Jewish women.
Look it up.
Israel is a joke when it comes to human rights.
 
grampben said:
But… Hamas and Hezbollah aren’t racist… they just want every Jew in the world killed. :rolleyes:
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Very strange how the convoy had several Jewish members, including a survivor of the Holocaust. It also had Mairead Corrigan onboard, whom as an Irishman you should know is hardly an advocate of violence. Indeed, she received the Nobel Peace Prize, and the Pacem in Terris award from John Paul II.

The convoy had nothing to do with endorsing Hamas, it simply wished to bring vital building and medical supplies, bizarrely prohibited by the Israelis, from reaching the people of Gaza. Even William Hague condemned these restrictions today. Indeed, the United Nations have gone as far to say that the lack of basic fulfilment of the needs of the youth of Gaza may be driving them to far more radical organisations such as Islamic Jihad, who make Hamas look like very reasonable people.
 
TechieJustin said:
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this is why as long as the US supports Israel I would rather sit in a jail cell before ever thinking about a military career. Draft or not - Count me out.
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Then you should. And rot in there, thinking how you’ve wasted your life by being a coward and a traitor.
Oh, right…and you’re on “ignore” now, so you can save yourself the trouble of brewing one your usual infantile replies…
 
(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
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You’re forgetting to point out that Israel’s blockade is not a legitimate one. No nation, not the United States, Canada, Britain or France, recognises Israel’s sovereignty over the Gaza Strip. Israel cannot blockade Gaza unless it authorised to do so by the United Nations. This is like the United States attempted to sink foreign ships which break its embargo with Cuba, which it quite evidently doesn’t do, and has never done. Britain has never interrupted its trade with Cuba under the Castro regime, and the US has put it under no pressure to do so.
 
O_Duirnin said:
You’re forgetting to point out that Israel’s blockade is not a legitimate one. No nation, not the United States, Canada, Britain or France, recognises Israel’s sovereignty over the Gaza Strip. Israel cannot blockade Gaza unless it authorised to do so by the United Nations. This is like the United States attempted to sink foreign ships which break its embargo with Cuba, which it quite evidently doesn’t do, and has never done. Britain has never interrupted its trade with Cuba under the Castro regime, and the US has put it under no pressure to do so.
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Run a blockade - risk getting attacked. End of story. Israel has no sovereignty over the Gaza strip - and hasn’t had it for…going on 5 years now. Gaza is not under occupation.
And since you bring up Cuba: Would the USSR have been right to try to run the blockade imposed? After all, the US had no sovereignty over Cuba.
 
O_Duirnin said:
Someone didn’t see the news footage of Arab women being spat upon and having ‘Death to Arabs’ shouted at them as they tried to walk past a demonstration celebrating Israel’s action in Ashdod today.
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Are you able to read, and understand, a simple text?
I never said that there are no racists in Israel! I said that Israel, as a nation, is not racist!
Do you understand the difference?
 
LutheranDK said:
Run a blockade - risk getting attacked. End of story. Israel has no sovereignty over the Gaza strip - and hasn’t had it for…going on 5 years now. Gaza is not under occupation.
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Gaza is being economically strangled by Israel. That is a CRIME.
 
LutheranDK said:
Are you able to read, and understand, a simple text?
I never said that there are no racists in Israel! I said that Israel, as a nation, is not racist!
Do you understand the difference?
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I tried to point this out too!

One only has to look at the Knesset (arguably the most representative Parliament chamber on Earth) to see the variety of opinion in Israel. The extremist parties are in very small number - as a people, Israel are the most liberal, pro-women, LGBT-friendly people in the Middle East!
 
LutheranDK said:
Run a blockade - risk getting attacked. End of story. Israel has no sovereignty over the Gaza strip - and hasn’t had it for…going on 5 years now. Gaza is not under occupation.
And since you bring up Cuba: Would the USSR have been right to try to run the blockade imposed? After all, the US had no sovereignty over Cuba.
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The USSR did run the blockade, as did more or less every country in the world. Indeed, an old friend of mine was with the British Merchant Navy in Havana during the peak of Missile Crisis. His vessel sailed straight past the US Navy as it entered Cuban waters, and the US made no attempt to stop it - only screeching something incomprehensible through a loudhailer which was ignored by all onboard.
 
LutheranDK said:
Are you able to read, and understand, a simple text?
I never said that there are no racists in Israel! I said that Israel, as a nation, is not racist!
Do you understand the difference?
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Why will Israel not allow Arabs (both Muslim and Christian) who lived within its boundaries before 1948 to return to their homes, yet it allows Jews who have never set foot in Israel in their lifetimes to claim citizenship immediately? That sounds like a case of double standards to me.
 
grampben said:
I tried to point this out too!

One only has to look at the Knesset (arguably the most representative Parliament chamber on Earth) to see the variety of opinion in Israel. The extremist parties are in very small number - as a people, Israel are the most liberal, pro-women, LGBT-friendly people in the Middle East!
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Avigdor Leiberman, the leader of third largest party in the Knesset, and Foreign Minister in Netanyahu’s coalition, referred to those of the Arab race as a ‘fifth column’ within Israel, and called for the specific bombing of civilians within the West Bank . Netanyahu himself has told Arabs who have lived in Palestine for generations upon generations that this is ‘no longer their country’. Even the Israeli newspaper Haaretz referred to a ‘general fascist mood’ in the country following Netanyahu’s election.
 
O_Duirnin said:
Why will Israel not allow Arabs (both Muslim and Christian) who lived within its boundaries before 1948 to return to their homes, yet it allows Jews who have never set foot in Israel in their lifetimes to claim citizenship immediately? That sounds like a case of double standards to me.
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Because, as you well know, to do that would mean the end of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people that it was intended to be (by your beloved UN). At the Jewish people would once again have no safe haven, and be at the mercy of a majority.
Oh, and don’t go pushing that “The world community wouldn’t let anything happen!”-BS. The so-called “world community” couldn’t care less about the Jews. Who would protect them? The British? The French? The GERMANS?
Bull…
 
O_Duirnin said:
The USSR did run the blockade, as did more or less every country in the world. Indeed, an old friend of mine was with the British Merchant Navy in Havana during the peak of Missile Crisis. His vessel sailed straight past the US Navy as it entered Cuban waters, and the US made no attempt to stop it - only screeching something incomprehensible through a loudhailer which was ignored by all onboard.
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And it was only by the slightest margin, that the world avoided nuclear war…
My point is, that the US would have been perfectly justified in engaging vessels attempting to run the blockade. As Israel was.
 
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