Defense posts George Zimmerman photo from night of Trayvon Martin shooting

[JimR-OCDS]

You didn’t know LBJ signed into law public policies that have fostered 50 years of generational welfare?  

Do some independent study on The Great Society and its effect on poverty and crime...
Then we'll talk some more.

Well, you haven’t showed that LBJ signing a safety net into law was the direct cause of all of this.

BTW I’ve heard the accusations about the Great Society being the cause of crime and poverty and I use to agree, but time has shown me that the argument is probably not all that accurate.

However, I don’t think we need to trash the thread further on this, so lets move on.

Jim

 

[JohnVictor]

Well, you haven’t showed that LBJ signing a safety net into law was the direct cause of all of this.

BTW I’ve heard the accusations about the Great Society being the cause of crime and poverty and I use to agree, but time has shown me that the argument is probably not all that accurate.

However, I don’t think we need to trash the thread further on this, so lets move on.

Jim

OK

Forensics back up GZ’s claim that M threw the first punch, knocking GZ to the ground, then got astride him and started punneling hin and bashing his head against the pavement.

TM injuries: skinned knuckles, single gunshot wound – GZ’s insjuruies: broken nose, contusions to the back of his head, no injuries to the hands.

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[JimR-OCDS]

OK

Forensics back up GZ’s claim that M threw the first punch, knocking GZ to the ground, then got astride him and started punneling hin and bashing his head against the pavement.

TM injuries: skinned knuckles, single gunshot wound – GZ’s insjuruies: broken nose, contusions to the back of his head, no injuries to the hands.

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No, forensics doesn’t show that Martin threw the first punch, but that Martin did in fact punch Zimmerman, several times. But as far as who threw the first punch or started the physical altercation, there is no evidence.

One thing is for certain, Zimmeman was armed, and knew he could kill Martin if need be and Martin was in fact, killed, taking his side of the story to the grave.

Jim

 

[JohnVictor]

No, forensics doesn’t show that Martin threw the first punch, but that Martin did in fact punch Zimmerman, several times. But as far as who threw the first punch or started the physical altercation, there is no evidence.

Jim

Seriously Jim… This is 7th grade parochial school knowledge.

Juries cannot consider evidence not presented, or what forensics doesn’t show, or suppositions.

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[JimR-OCDS]

Seriously Jim… This is 7th grade parochial school knowledge.

Juries cannot consider evidence not presented, or what forensics doesn’t show, or suppositions.

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Gee no kidding.

The fact is, there is no evidence that Martin began the altercation. There is evidence that Zimmerman armed with a gun, followed Martin after the dispatcher advised him not to.

Anyway, we’re just going back over the same argument.

Wait for the trial and see what the jury comes up with, is all that’s left.

Jim

 

[Farsight001]

Gee no kidding.

The fact is, there is no evidence that Martin began the altercation. There is evidence that Zimmerman armed with a gun, followed Martin after the dispatcher advised him not to.

Anyway, we’re just going back over the same argument.

Wait for the trial and see what the jury comes up with, is all that’s left.

Jim

We’re going back over the same argument because you’re not listening. So let me put it in caps to make it harder for you to miss. THE DISPATCHER NEVER ADVISED HIM NOT TO FOLLOW MARTIN. End of story. I highly suggest you go back and read previous posts to catch other important facts that you have missed.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

We’re going back over the same argument because you’re not listening. So let me put it in caps to make it harder for you to miss. THE DISPATCHER NEVER ADVISED HIM NOT TO FOLLOW MARTIN. End of story. I highly suggest you go back and read previous posts to catch other important facts that you have missed.

George Zimmerman heard the message loud and clear: Don’t follow Trayvon Martin.

In a statement he gave to police the same night he shot and killed the unarmed teen, Zimmerman wrote that he was returning to his vehicle after a police dispatcher told him over the phone to stop pursuing Martin.

“The dispatcher told me not to follow the suspect and that an officer was in route,” Zimmerman wrote in the statement, which was released to the public for the first time on Thursday morning. “As I headed back to my vehicle, the suspect emerged from the darkness and said ‘you got a problem?’”

tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/george_zimmerman_statement_dispatcher_stop_trayvon_martin.php

So you disagree with Zimmerman himself.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Also;

During a recorded call to a police dispatcher, Zimmerman "made reference to people he felt had committed and gotten away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin, Zimmerman stated ‘these a------s, they always get away’ and also said ‘these f-----g punks,’ said the affidavit, available at apne.ws/Itn7Nu .

It continued: “When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him. Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin who was trying to return to his home.”

Read more: foxnews.com/us/2012/04/12/prosecutors-zimmerman-ignored-warning-to-back-off/#ixzz2EhcyyRXH

Some how the dispatcher’s words, “not to do that,” means something different other than an instruction not to follow Martin, by the reasoning of folks in this thread.

Yet as my previous post shows, Zimmerman stated in his own affidavit, that this is precisely what the dispatcher told him.

Jim

 

[Farsight001]

So you disagree with Zimmerman himself.

Jim

The words of the dispatcher were, if you had been paying attention, “you don’t have to do that”. There was NO command/request not to follow him. The dispatcher did NOT say “do not do that”. Again, there was NO command. We don’t need Zimmerman’s poorly recalled statement when we have the 911 call recording to refer to directly. I don’t know how this is so difficult to grasp.

 

[Linda_Marie]

No doubt they overcharged him. at the most it was involuntary manslaughter and even that would be a hard case to make.

This prosecutor has a history of overcharging people.
Zimmerman Prosecutor Again Accused of ‘Over-Charging’ Case

Just last week, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz told Newsmax TV in an exclusive interview that Corey is notorious for over-charging cases.

Angela Corey’s Penchant for Overcharging
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Archive for the ‘Angela Corey’ Category

Dershowitz has been a vocal critic of Corey’s over her handling of Zimmerman. His main point is that he thinks her office withheld information in order to overcharge Zimmerman as a bargaining tool. To do that, he says, she withheld information on Zimmerman’s injuries from the judge who charged him with second-degree murder.

“Half truths under the law are lies, and it is professionally irresponsible, bordering on criminal to withhold information from a judge to get charges,” he told Ross.

Corey has responded to the criticism in her usual fashion. She called Harvard (where Dershowitz has taught for 48 years) and tried to get the dean of Harvard Law School to fire him. Then she threatened to sue the school and Dershowitz for defamation. She also said she would have Dershowitz disbarred. Her rant lasted 40 minutes, he said in a blog post.

Ron Littlepage: Angela Corey’s hissy fits, threats unprofessional

“The idea that a prosecutor would threaten to sue someone who disagrees with her for libel and slander, to sue the university for which he works and to try to get him disbarred is the epitome of unprofessionalism.”
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When Corey was appointed to head up the investigation into the shooting death of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, D’Alemberte had this to say:

“I cannot imagine a worse choice for a prosecutor to serve in the Sanford case. There is nothing in Angela Corey’s background that suits her for the task, and she cannot command the respect of people who care about justice.”

George Zimmerman’s attorneys say Angela Corey’s office isn’t playing fair

“The state’s approach to discovery has been to require the defense to figure out what the state has failed to provide and then ask for it rather than fulfilling the state’s legal obligation to provide complete and timely discovery,” attorney Donald West said in the motion.

4 witnesses change stories, according to evidence released in George Zimmerman case

ORLANDO — Evidence released last week in the second-degree-murder case against George Zimmerman shows four key witnesses made major changes in what they say they saw and heard the night he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford.

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• Witness 6: This witness lived a few feet from where Martin and Zimmerman had their fight. On the night of the shooting, he told Serino he saw a black man on top of a lighter-skinned man “just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA-style,” a reference to mixed martial arts. He also said the one calling for help was “the one being beat up,” a reference to Zimmerman.

But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.

Yes, changed after the case was given to Angela Corey.

 

[Dawnia]

Gee no kidding.

The fact is, there is no evidence that Martin began the altercation. There is evidence that Zimmerman armed with a gun, followed Martin after the dispatcher advised him not to.

Anyway, we’re just going back over the same argument.

Wait for the trial and see what the jury comes up with, is all that’s left.

Jim

But where’s the fun in that?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The words of the dispatcher were, if you had been paying attention, “you don’t have to do that”. There was NO command/request not to follow him. The dispatcher did NOT say “do not do that”. Again, there was NO command. We don’t need Zimmerman’s poorly recalled statement when we have the 911 call recording to refer to directly. I don’t know how this is so difficult to grasp.

not to do that and that the responding officer will meet you.

Then of course is Zimmerman’s own admission in the affidavit that the dispatcher told him not to follow the suspect.

By Zimmerman’s own written words, he understood the dispatcher’s meaning, to not follow the suspect.

But go ahead and believe what you want.

The prosecution is going to present to the jury, the affidavit as well as the dispatcher’s words.

It will be up to them whether they buy it or not.

We can argue all night long but I’m watching the Patriots hold a football clinic for the Texans.

Jim

 

[JohnVictor]

Gee no kidding.

The fact is, there is no evidence that Martin began the altercation. There is evidence that Zimmerman armed with a gun, followed Martin after the dispatcher advised him not to.

Anyway, we’re just going back over the same argument.

Wait for the trial and see what the jury comes up with, is all that’s left.

Jim

Sure their is - GZ is an eyewitness. His testimony can NOT be refuted in court by suppositions or what might have happened.

Armed - not only legal but it was obviously a very wise choice.

Following - legal

Forensics only support Martin’s story. Not yours.

Dispatcher said he didn’t “need to” – never advised him not to

Suppositions such as yours are inadmissible. The witnesses include Martin, the police, the FBI, forensics, etc Your or the states suppositions are all inadmissible in crim cases. The state must prove that Martin is lying… and only with hard evidence… Your suppositions made here all inadmissible.

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[JohnVictor]

CORRECTED RESPONSE TO JIM

I’m tired tonight…

Their certainly IS evidence - GZ is an eyewitness. AND… His testimony can NOT be refuted in court by suppositions or what might have happened.

Armed - not only legal but it was obviously a very wise choice.

Following - legal

Forensics only support GZ’s story. Not yours.

Dispatcher said he didn’t “need to” – never advised him not to

Suppositions such as yours are inadmissible. The witnesses include GZ, the police, the FBI, forensics, etc Your or the states suppositions are all inadmissible in criminal cases. The state must prove that GZ is lying… and only with hard evidence… Your suppositions made here all inadmissible.

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[Elisabethelisa]

At the end of the day no matter the source, no matter the witness nor the forensic no one will never know the entire truth. This case has been biased almost from the beginning. It was and still is full of presumption and prejudiced. Too much race and origin cards in my opinion. Too much much media coverage. Too much celebrities involved. Too much blablabla in general.
I believe mistakes have been done on both Trayvon side and on George side’s. But no matter how long he will or will not be charged Trayvon is dead and both families are just destroyed now.
Lessons needs to be learned from this tragic event.
I can’t remember who talked about responsibility and community but that was a really good point. If people were more involved in their community and parents more responsible of their children violence and ignorance would be far less important nowadays.

 

[JohnVictor]

At the end of the day no matter the source, no matter the witness nor the forensic no one will never know the entire truth. This case has been biased almost from the beginning. It was and still is full of presumption and prejudiced. Too much race and origin cards in my opinion. Too much much media coverage. Too much celebrities involved. Too much blablabla in general.
I believe mistakes have been done on both Trayvon side and on George side’s. But no matter how long he will or will not be charged Trayvon is dead and both families are just destroyed now.
Lessons needs to be learned from this tragic event.
I can’t remember who talked about responsibility and community but that was a really good point. If people were more involved in their community and parents more responsible of their children violence and ignorance would be far less important nowadays.

Great post.

Most crimes in one way or another, involve a deficiency in self-control. At one time, strong intact two parent god-fearing families that controlled and set a good example for their kids - were the norm. Not so anymore, Sad.

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[Linda_Marie]

George Zimmerman heard the message loud and clear: Don’t follow Trayvon Martin.

In a statement he gave to police the same night he shot and killed the unarmed teen, Zimmerman wrote that he was returning to his vehicle after a police dispatcher told him over the phone to stop pursuing Martin

By your own quotes, Zimmerman’s testimony is that he headed back to his vehicle - ie - stopped following, when the dispatcher told him that they didn’t need him to do that and that an officer was en route. That sounds like he followed instructions. He didn’t chase after Martin, shouting and waving a gun.

There is evidence that Zimmerman armed with a gun, followed Martin after the dispatcher advised him not to.

Your quote does not back this up, in fact, it testifies the opposite - that Zimmerman stopped following Martin when he was advised not to.

NBC and ABC have a lot to answer for the biased reporting of this incident. People are convicting him based on their altered evidence. Altering evidence to cause an appearance of guilt is the same as fabricating it. To convict someone based on fabricated evidence is a miscarriage of justice.

 

[JohnVictor]

Good work Linda!

Defense will ask each witness for the prosecution this simple question:

Do you have any evidence that refutes Zimmerman’s claim he was attacked by Martin as he was returning to his truck?

Yes or No.

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[JohnVictor]

Linda, here’s the handwritten statement to which you referred:

scribd.com/doc/97802972/George-Zimmerman-Written-Statement

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[JohnVictor]

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