Defense posts George Zimmerman photo from night of Trayvon Martin shooting

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[SamH]

NBC and ABC have a lot to answer for the biased reporting of this incident. People are convicting him based on their altered evidence. Altering evidence to cause an appearance of guilt is the same as fabricating it. To convict someone based on fabricated evidence is a miscarriage of justice.

I guess that’s why NBC is going to make Zimmerman a millionaire.

articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-12-06/lifestyle/35673511_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-zimmerman-shot

 

[qui_est_ce]

It seems like the fundamental problem is with education and social justice. And these are within the purview of the government.

Charity alone, which cannot be guaranteed, cannot solve such huge problems. But the state can, and I believe the state definitely has the money to do so.

You are not an American and you don’t know the problems of African-Americans in this country. I don’t pretend to know all their problems either. I can tell you the story from a white European point of view. I was not born in this country. My mother is French and moved to this country in 1957. My father was born here of German parents who schooled their family German, as was the custom of Germans in this country until the 1940’s. English was not spoken in the home. We had German newspapers, German schools, etc. Even in our home, as a child, we were not allowed to speak English. German was the language my parents had in common, as my mother did not know English and my father did not know French when they married. On Saturdays we went to German school.

White Americans have a huge guilt issue towards African-Americans due to slavery. In 1965 we tried to assuage that guilt by passing the “Great Society” which offered a “safety net” to the poor. Prior to that we had built housing projects, like Pruitt-Igoe in St. Louis. Google it. It was a great place for lower income Americans to live within their means. The majority of American children were born to married parents and grew up with a father and mother. Once the Great Society went into effect, money only went to single women with children. While this was a noble idea, what actually happened was that more and more women had children out of wedlock because they could get help. Today, the majority of African-American children in our country are born in single parent households with no involvement by the father. Crime became rampant in these housing projects. Stealing pipes resulting in water disasters, drugs, etc. People were destroying their own habitat. Pruitt-Igoe has since been blown up.

Tons of money is thrown at our public education system. It costs more to educate a child in a public school system than in a private Catholic school system. Money doesn’t solve the problem. It’s the culture of getting good grades is a “whitey thing.” The parents aren’t involved because they haven’t learned parenting skills. I know this first hand from the shelter where I volunteer. I learned this from my sister who rocks babies at Crisis Nursery. The moms don’t talk to their babies. Google the average vocabulary of an African-American child compared to that of a white American.

White Americans are affected too, but the African-American is disproportionately affected.

They “safety net” has become the permanent source of income for too many people in our country.

1 out of 6 households in this country is food insecure. Why?? Food stamps are supposed to supplement the grocery bill, not be the sole source. Are people so helpless they can’t get to a St. Vincent de Paul food pantry or the dozens of other food pantries?

This is a short synopsis of what is going on in our country. You can google for the actual statistics.

For many years my children and I delivered Thanksgving meals to food insecure households. It was one of those “it’s good for us and it’s good for them” journeys.

I truly believe charity is necessary for both the giver and the recipient.

PS, I am a divorced single mom. I was divorced when my children were 6 and 9.

 

[SamH]

Gee no kidding.

The fact is, there is no evidence that Martin began the altercation.

Other than the physical evidence.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Linda Marie

By your own quotes, Zimmerman’s testimony is that he headed back to his vehicle - ie - stopped following, when the dispatcher told him that they didn’t need him to do that and that an officer was en route. That sounds like he followed instructions. He didn’t chase after Martin, shouting and waving a gun.

The point I was making was the accusation that the dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman to stop following Martin. Zimmerman’s own written statement, confirm that he understood that the dispatcher told him not to follow the suspect.

Now if Zimmerman wrote that he confirmed to the dispatcher that he was following the suspect and told not to do that, how does it change to that he wasn’t following Martin?

Also, Martin’s phone call to his girl friend shows that Martin stated to her, that he was being followed by a man who looks suspicious and he doesn’t know why he’s being followed.

So, the evidence is strong that Zimmerman in fact followed Martin.

Also, there is a disparity of ZImmerman’s statements and where his SUV was parked and where the shooting took place. There is no way he was jumped by Martin as he was getting back into his car.

chicagomag.com/whet/trayvon-martin-map.jpg

NBC and ABC have a lot to answer for the biased reporting of this incident. People are convicting him based on their altered evidence. Altering evidence to cause an appearance of guilt is the same as fabricating it. To convict someone based on fabricated evidence is a miscarriage of justice.

I know Andrea Mitchell left out the first part of the 911 call where the dispatcher asked what race the suspect was, and only played the part where Zimmerman says that he was Black.

I didn’t know that ABC did the same.

However, if you want to hear more incriminating evidence, read the entire conversation with the dispatcher.

At this point, I’m not going to be the jury, I have no idea what the truth of the story is. I’m only going by what I believe the jury is going to hear for evidence and it’s my guess how they’ll decide. Of course they’re going to hear more evidence than what we have, especially from the defense.

Jim

 

[JohnVictor]

Other than the physical evidence.

And of course Zimmerman’s written statement to police the night of the incident. Unless prosecution can produce evidence to refute it… it will stand. To date they have not.

Here is his statement: scribd.com/doc/97802972/George-Zimmerman-Written-Statement

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[SamH]

And of course Zimmerman’s written statement to police the night of the incident. Unless prosecution can produce evidence to refute it… it will stand. To date they have not.

Here is his statement: scribd.com/doc/97802972/George-Zimmerman-Written-Statement

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Did you read it?

 

[JohnVictor]

Linda Marie

The point I was making was the accusation that the dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman to stop following Martin. Zimmerman’s own written statement, confirm that he understood that the dispatcher told him not to follow the suspect.

Now if Zimmerman wrote that he confirmed to the dispatcher that he was following the suspect and told not to do that, how does it change to that he wasn’t following Martin?

Also, Martin’s phone call to his girl friend shows that Martin stated to her, that he was being followed by a man who looks suspicious and he doesn’t know why he’s being followed.

So, the evidence is strong that Zimmerman in fact followed Martin.

Also, there is a disparity of ZImmerman’s statements and where his SUV was parked and where the shooting took place. There is no way he was jumped by Martin as he was getting back into his car.

chicagomag.com/whet/trayvon-martin-map.jpg

I know Andrea Mitchell left out the first part of the 911 call where the dispatcher asked what race the suspect was, and only played the part where Zimmerman says that he was Black.

I didn’t know that ABC did the same.

However, if you want to hear more incriminating evidence, read the entire conversation with the dispatcher.

At this point, I’m not going to be the jury, I have no idea what the truth of the story is. I’m only going by what I believe the jury is going to hear for evidence and it’s my guess how they’ll decide. Of course they’re going to hear more evidence than what we have, especially from the defense.

Jim

Neither you nor the prosecution has to date produced any evidence that refutes Zimmerman’s account.

Further, during the evidentiary hearing depositions, prosecution admitted to questioner O’mara that “they had no evidence to refute GZ’s claim that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck.”

That was a major victory for the defense.

But I suppose there’s no reason you can’t keep hoping…

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[JimR-OCDS]

Neither you nor the prosecution has to date produced any evidence that refutes Zimmerman’s account.

Further, during the evidentiary hearing depositions, prosecution admitted to questioner O’mara that “they had no evidence to refute GZ’s claim that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck.”

That was a major victory for the defense.

But I suppose there’s no reason you can’t keep hoping…

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So by this statement, I’m guessing you didn’t look at the link to the map I posted, which shows where Zimmerman’s SUV was parked and where the shooting too place. Zimmerman would’ve had to follow Martin, or have run from Martin, which Zimmerman never claims.

Jim

 

[SamH]

The point I was making was the accusation that the dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman to stop following Martin. Zimmerman’s own written statement, confirm that he understood that the dispatcher told him not to follow the suspect.

What he understood and what he was told are two different things. It doesn’t matter because he quit following the attacker when told he didn’t need to follow him.

 

[JohnVictor]

So by this statement, I’m guessing you didn’t look at the link to the map I posted, which shows where Zimmerman’s SUV was parked and where the shooting too place. Zimmerman would’ve had to follow Martin, or have run from Martin, which Zimmerman never claims.

Jim

Zimmerman’s statement was that he was following Martin, and then turned back to his truck when he lost sight of Martin, and that’s when Trayvon attacked him. When asked about this specific part of the incident at the evidence deposition, prosecution said they had no evidence to refute what Zimmerman said.

Jim, have you considered calling the prosecuting atty about his blunder, and telling him what you have determined? LOL

 

[St_Francis]

So by this statement, I’m guessing you didn’t look at the link to the map I posted, which shows where Zimmerman’s SUV was parked and where the shooting too place. Zimmerman would’ve had to follow Martin, or have run from Martin, which Zimmerman never claims.

Jim

I really don’t understand how the map shows what you say it shows. Zimmerman followed after Martin to see where he went, then turned around to go back to his truck. On his way back to the truck, Martin attacked him. I don’t see any way in which this map refutes that?

 

[JohnVictor]

I really don’t understand how the map shows what you say it shows. Zimmerman followed after Martin to see where he went, then turned around to go back to his truck. On his way back to the truck, Martin attacked him. I don’t see any way in which this map refutes that?

Hopefully he is calling the prosecutor’s office in Sanford FL now and making then aware of that map!
Then they can now say they have evidenence to refute Zimmerman’s account.

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[JimR-OCDS]

I really don’t understand how the map shows what you say it shows. Zimmerman followed after Martin to see where he went, then turned around to go back to his truck. On his way back to the truck, Martin attacked him. I don’t see any way in which this map refutes that?

In other words. Zimmerman got out of his truck and followed Martin, after the dispatcher said not to do that.

The statement by Zimmerman that he was jumped by Martin as he was returning to his truck, can’t be proven to be true of false at this point.

What happened between Zimmerman getting out of his SUV and where the fight and shooting took place, is unclear and we only have Zimmerman’s account.

Jim

 

[Farsight001]

In other words. Zimmerman got out of his truck and followed Martin, after the dispatcher said not to do that.

Seriously? Once again, the dispatcher never told him not to follow anyone. After having been informed of this at least half a dozen times, I can only logically conclude that you are now willfully lying.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Seriously? Once again, the dispatcher never told him not to follow anyone. After having been informed of this at least half a dozen times, I can only logically conclude that you are now willfully lying.

And you continue to ignore the fact that Zimmerman himself said that the dispatcher told him not to follow the suspect.

Just because the dispatcher didn’t use the words, “don’t follow him.” doesn’t mean he didn’t advise him to not follow him.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I recommend you folks go here and listen to the interview Zimmerman had with the detectives.

Fact is, Zimmerman was in his car when the dispatcher asked if he was following the suspect, and Zimmerman said he was and in fact got out of the car and followed him.
In fact, in the interview, it’s sounds like Zimmerman actually chased Martin, for he said Martin was running away.

Anyway, besure to listen to the interview with the detectives and see the holes in Zimmerman’s account.

friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/capehart-zimmermans-story-doesnt-add-up/

Jim

 

[Farsight001]

And you continue to ignore the fact that Zimmerman himself said that the dispatcher told him not to follow the suspect.

Just because the dispatcher didn’t use the words, “don’t follow him.” doesn’t mean he didn’t advise him to not follow him.

Jim

No one’s ignoring. It’s just not what the dispatcher said. Your decision to claim repeatedly that he was instructed not to follow shows that you are ignoring the facts here because the 911 call makes abundantly clear that such an instruction never happened. So stop saying it did. It’s a lie to say so.

 

[Dawnia]

I recommend you folks go here and listen to the interview Zimmerman had with the detectives.

Fact is, Zimmerman was in his car when the dispatcher asked if he was following the suspect, and Zimmerman said he was and in fact got out of the car and followed him.
In fact, in the interview, it’s sounds like Zimmerman actually chased Martin, for he said Martin was running away.

Anyway, besure to listen to the interview with the detectives and see the holes in Zimmerman’s account.

friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/capehart-zimmermans-story-doesnt-add-up/

Jim

The 911 call says otherwise. He was out of his vehicle when the dispatcher told him he didn’t need to follow Martin.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

No one’s ignoring. It’s just not what the dispatcher said. Your decision to claim repeatedly that he was instructed not to follow shows that you are ignoring the facts here because the 911 call makes abundantly clear that such an instruction never happened. So stop saying it did. It’s a lie to say so.

Yeah the dispatcher didn’t use the words, “don’t follow him.”

But Zimmerman knew that when the dispatcher asked if he was following the suspect and Zimmerman said he was, that when the dispatcher said, “we don’t need you to do that,” he was asking him not to follow the suspect.

Jim